[Glorantha]Red Moon over Glamour

From: Joerg Baumgartner <joe_at_toppoint.de>
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:31:17 +0200 (CEST)

Mikko Rintasaari

> The moon is high over Glamour.

Or, more specifically, high over the Crater, on whose flank Glamour sits.

> When you move away from glamour the moon is
> always in the direction of Glamour, just like there was a large object
> hovering over the city.

In my book this is true outside of the Glowline. Greg repeatedly told us on conventions that inside the Glowline the moon appears to have reached its designated position in Buserian's Frame.

> Despite this, I propose that the phase and face of
> the moon looks the same everywhere.

Contradicting Greg's article in Tales #16, which admittedly has some technical difficulties, but contains a couple of hard facts unlikely to change.

> So when you are far-far away, the moon looks smaller (duh!),

Doesn't. Or at least, to be that far-far away, you'll have to leave the Middle World entirely.

In the real world, we experience both sun and moon as subjectively larger when close to the horizon. However, if we have a disk which covers the moon (or the sun, which by a very strange fluke appears to be the same size) in its entirety at is highest point, held at arms length, we will find that it does equally so when on the horizon.

Thus, assuming real world optics at work and postulating a definable height of the red sphere (which it hasn't any more than the Sunpath has), our impression would be that of a larger moon the closer it gets to the horizon.

> but it still looks like Sedenya


> (not the north-side-of-sedenya, not the south-side-of-sedenya...),


> and still cycles through it's phases at the same time.

Whether you take the Roving Searchlight theory or not, true for any given direction from the Crater.

Mikko's model basically describes a moon disk, not a sphere, smeared onto the border of the skies, always viewed from below (aka bendy light irritation). It could be spherical, but then he'd have to admit different views from different directions.

> This solves many problems, but obviously is not for everybody.

It creates sufficient problems to make it as faulty as the Greg-approved theory, which makes it not an improvement and an unnecessary contradiction of published facts.

> Some people
> seem quite happy to have a very vague description on what's going on.
> Admittedly there is a proud Gloranthan tradition of being vague, but one
> should be able to tell the players what the moon look like, even if they
> do a few experiments.

It's easy to tell the players whar the moon looks like. Unless they start traveling into Erigia, Valind's Waste or North Pent, they will hardly notice too much of an alteration. Worst effect they can experience is the day of the Full Moon/Black Moons shifting, but unless facing Lunars, who cares? If facing Lunars, you're most likely to remain on your end of the phases and notice no changes.

Sartarites taking Telmori along on an anti-Kalikos quest would be in for another surprise, but what the heck. I can't really see any other situation where people would be bothered (rather than "mildly annoyed"...)

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