From: Alex Ferguson (alex@dcs.gla.ac.uk)
Date: Fri 04 Aug 1995 - 09:07:23 EEST
David Cake is probably of the opinion that:
> Renegade dragonnewts avoid elemental powers for the same reason
> they avoid conventional draconic powers - they are trying to avoid the
> draconic path, not progress along it.
Renegade dragonewts don't necessarily avoid Dragon Magic, though. If
> Dragonnewts that have the spiritual
My own guess is that they're just Not Good At It. If a 'newt had a
Has anyone had any Profound Thoughts (on any Hughesian Level) as to why
Peter Metcalfe defends his "obvious" association of Water and dragonewts
> That was then, I suppose. However there are historical references to
anything, they're likely to Exploit Up the Wazoo any they have access
to, to use a Sandyism, as they're less worried about Impaired Spiritual
Progression.
> hubris to use elemental magic probably become dinosaurs or magisaurs
> instead of renegades.
Glorantha: the Game character sheet, the "elemental makeup" column
would have "weird draconic shit" stencilled across it. Hence, they'd
lack the metaphysical wherewithal to do elemental magic properly.
The RQ2 injunction against "elemental cults" is a bit fishy, though,
since it's promptly broken in CoP (Aldrya is an Earth-rune cult, after
all). I'd suggest something on the lines of, "Can't manipulate the
elements by way of conventional theistic cults", as a (re-)interpretation
of this factoid.
the dragonewt rune is the (earthly) hermetic symbol for Air?
against the merely factual evidence of RQ2:
> Dragons and their kin having elemental powers. Mind of the Golden Dragon
> who ruled the land of Saird during the Broken Council was said to have
> studied the myriad solar rites of Dara Happa and Peloria. Then there is
> the Dragon Sun who ruled Dara Happa.
This is getting pretty far from the track from "proof" that 'newts have
_water_ associations, though, isn't it?
[Source of the Oslir]
> Ormsgone valley, I think. Dunno where it flowed before the EWF. The
> Erinflarth which is a major tributary flows from Dorastor.
Actually in the Skyreach Mountains, south of Muse Roost, it would
appear. Which is alarmingly far south, really. A rational watershed
would probably run through the middle of Tarsh. The Erinflarth certainly
is a major tributary: one might argue that it could be the "real" source
of the Oslir, in geographic terms.
> The Gate of Banir. I didn't think of it as a gate to Hell (although this
> is plausible).
As it was created, or at least controlled by, a paid-up Chaos Wizard,
then if it connects to anywhere familiar on these God Learner Maps,
the Chaosy Bit of Hell is the obvious candidate. Or it could be the
Outer Void, possibly.
> My only niggle is whether the assembled Dragonewts think so
> clearly and consistently as we.
Fellow fans of the Arabian Knights might wonder what the invocation
"Clarity and consistency of the Glorantha Digest!" might result in...
Alex.
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