Re: Uninformed thoughts

From: Loren Miller (
Date: Wed 22 May 1996 - 00:32:27 EEST

Chris Pearce writes:
> I get my info about Glorantha only from the list, which is kind of
> frustrating, since you loremasters tend to drop lots of historical info as
> asides.

I happen to know that you have played some Gloranthan scenarii on
the player side of things, so that isn't quite accurate. Anyway...
enuff of that and off to the fun stuff.

> He's a big sorceror, right? Anyway, I seem to recall reading somewhere that
> Greg described him as "as dangerous and ultimately meaningful as a lion"

ZZZabur was the first sorceror. He deduced sorcery by the use of
perfect, flawless logic. He's also the son of Malkion, who is the big
cheese in "Malkioni" religion. ZZZabur is also a right bastard and it
would be better not to even mention his name because who knows what
kind of enchantment he might have looking for such a thing. That's
also why we use lots of ZZZ's when we write his name, so that it
isn't quite his name.

He cast the closing to stop people from sailing to Brithos, and then
he was working on a spell to destroy about half of Genertela, sinking
it beneath the sea in the same way that Jrustela was destroyed, when
Snodal saw the plans in ZZZZZabur's blue book and took action to stop
it. The result was the Syndic's Ban.

How about modifying the ZZZZZabur statement to say that he is as
dangerous and ultimately meaningful as Cwim and the Mother of
Monsters having a Tea Party?

> Here's a thought. The God Learners were destroyed in part by Zzabur, and one
> of the things he really mucked with was communication spirits.

I think that ZZZZZZabur mucked with communication spirits later, and
that was why Snodal and company offed the God of the Silver Feet (a
western cousin of Issaries).

Z-man certainly helped fight the god learners, but I doubt that he
used communication spirits more than anything else. He was
righteously pissed when he saw how many innovations (spit) and new,
stinking abominations (spit) the god learners invented. Tanian,
the god of the burning oceans, was one of the worst examples of this
tendency of the GLs. The GLs had lots of enemies though, so it isn't
quite accurate to credit their destruction solely to ZzzZZZabur.

> Maybe, like Zzabur, the God Learners found a new way through the Heroplane
> that led to a new way of affecting Glorantha. Maybe this way had something
> to do with Communication spirits.

Didn't need it. They had RuneQuest Sight, which allowed them to see
the runic/elemental structure of everything, thus giving them a foot
up when it came to using sorcery on things.

> I think that communication spirits must be what really inspire tribal
> loremasters and storytellers with not only their gifts but also the stories
> themselves.

I don't think this is necessary. I dislike spell spirits in the first
place, and to say that not only magic spells, but also songs and
stories, are gifts from spirits and not the product of the human mind
grates against my (admittedly modern) sensibilities.

- --
Loren Miller <>
Life at the water's edge is the real life for men and women, and penguins


This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.7 : Fri 13 Jun 2003 - 16:31:38 EEST