Father of Lies and other questions

From: Peter Metcalfe (P.Metcalfe@student.canterbury.ac.nz)
Date: Wed 23 Oct 1996 - 12:10:44 EEST

Oliver Bernuetz:

>Something I don't understand is people taking the histories Greg Stafford
>has written, like King of Sartar and the GRoY, etc. as verbatim accounts.
>My impression has been that these are highly subjective accounts.

Nobody has ever claimed that King of Sartar and the GRoY are
completely and utterly accurate. Large parts of them *are*
quite subjective and some are downright fabrications (ie Argrath
relighting the Flame of Sartar). The question (and what we
debate about) is which parts are untrustworthy.

>It's like taking everything Herodotus wrote about or the Bible as the gospel
>truth (pun intended). There's a reason why Herodotus was known as the
>Father of Lies. He was quite capable (as were most ancient historians) of
>altering the truth to fit his facts.

And what are the lies told by Herodotus to fit his facts? Even
Thucydides only faulted Herodotus for two trivial mistakes in
his work. The most part of Herodotus's work is considered
reliable by many scholars for finding out what happened during
the Persian Wars for instance. The Penguin edition of his
histories has an essay about the reliability of his work which
I suggest you read.

>The Dara Happan's may claim to have thousands of years of uninterrupted
>history but this claim seems to be contradicted by the write-up in the
>history section of the Doraster book that the Tripolis was founded by the
>slaves freed from horse-riding Yelm worshippers by the First Council.
And you believe the _one_ line that reflects the worldview of Talastari
barbarians over that of cultured Solar Priests? That's like saying
that the Hittites don't exist because they are not mentioned in Homer
or other greek writers. Why should the Talastari have privileged
information about the origins and antecedents of Dara Happa? Methinks
you've gone overboard in your skepticism.

>Hardly thousands of years of uninterrupted history. Someone is being lied
>to. Personally I find it more interesting to believe that the priesthood is
>lying to their worshippers than that their history is so at odds with the
>rest of Genertela's.

The Pelorian Histories (GRoY, Entekosiad and Fortunate Succession) do
not contradict the rest of Genertela's history. It describes the
History of Peloria and that's all it does. Yes, the histories do
contain significant amounts of biases but these biases are more valuable
in describing the society.

>On an added note has anyone ever worked on a unified historical timeline for
>Glorantha that could put historical events into context? It'd be an
>interesting project.

I've done it. It's a bit cluttered up as I tried putting who reigned at
such and such a time. I'm in the process of breaking it down region by

Robert Baumgartner:

>Can initiates of Kyger Litor learn Sorcery? What happens
>if a player rolls as parents profession Sorcerer for instance?

They can but will probably have to join the cult of Arkat the
Troll to get any chance of knowing sorcery. If the Uz's parents
were sorcerers then he has an easier chance of joining the cult
then most.

>The Ogre in the Sun County Scenario Melisande's Hand claims to be an Argan
>Argar initiate, but he also seems associated to the Cacodemon Cult. I can't
>find any hints that he is not a Argan Argar initiate but only claiming to
>be one - and this sounds a bit strange for me that someone is related to
>a Troll cult and to a chaos cult who are one of the worst enemies to each

Ogres join cults that hate chaos because it gives them a cover in human
society. Most cults that hate chaos have no way of determining whether
their new applicant is an Ogre.

>Is there anywhere some information about the Sun Dome County southwest
>of Sartar (Genertelabook p.59/60)? Is it still inhabited by Yelmalio
>cultists? - I get the impression in Sun County (p.4) that in 877 most
>went to the new lands southeast of Pavis.

According to KoS, this was settled during the reign of Tarkalor by
disgruntled Elamli who had converted to the new faith of Monrogh.
Its people are formerly disgruntled Elmali that wanted a greater
role for the Sun in their society.

>How is the Duck's live in Sartar after Starbrow's rebellion? In River of
>Cradles I get the impression that all ducks who weren't killed fled from
>Sartar, but when reading Apple Lane for instance I get no impression that
>the Ducks are outlaws in Sartar.

This is because Apple Lane was originally written up as taking place
*before* Starbrow's revolt and the subsequent persecution of Ducks.

Nick Effingham:

>But on the Elmal score, can anyone tell me WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED? Or
>is it still in the prison of Greg's mind?

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- --Peter Metcalfe


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