From: Lemens, Chris (CNU!AUSTIN3!lemens@cnucorp.attmail.com)
Date: Thu 07 Nov 1996 - 16:04:00 EET
David Cake: "Stars are holes in the sky, AFAIK, and they existed before the
destruction of the Spike. The Pole Star is the particular whole created by
the destruction of the Spike."
I seem to recall otherwise. Somewhere (but it could have been Gregged RQ2
materials; might have been in Elder Secrets) I read that the Polaris used to
be somewhere else, but moved in order to fight the nasty chaos thingies
coming in the hole in the universe. I recall other sources saying that the
stars were Yelm's light captains and led the fight during the lesser
darkness.
Simon D. Hibbs: "David Cake's suggestion that the compromise changed the
heroplane more than it changed the mundane plane is pretty close IMHO."
Again based on ancient memories of Gregged materials, I kinda thought that
the creation of multiple planes was an effect of the Compromise, or Arachne
Solara's giving birth to Time, or whatever. The god plane was the part of
the world where the Gods were separated from the rest of the universe by
Time. Likewise the heroplane (if the two are different) was the mythic
geography of GodTime events.
Simon: "I think this is what Greg means when he talks about heroquesters or
gods
"proving" things to be true. In our world we would say that they are
making a change and understand that things may have been different in the
past. Many gloranthans would not understand the distinction. To them,
something is simply true or it is not - if it is true then it must always
have been true. Thus in the godtime the past is influenced by the present
in a way that goes beyond mere re-interpretation."
I think you are close to right. I think what happens is not so much
re-interpretation as unconscious application of current interpretation.
That is, just like most people, they are not entirely aware when their view
of the world changes. For them, reality conforms to their perceptions more
than their perceptions conform to reality. Believing that something has
always been true may make it so, mythically.
Nick Effingham: "Godtime IGNORES time, completely. Utterly. Causality and
common sense are ditched in favour of powerful myths and, in turn, strong
shadows on the HeroPlane."
This is internally coherent, but I would still segregate time and causality.
Nick: "It was not that they did not notice the *advent* of time, it was
1. Doesn't this contradict your agreement with me that Time did not exist,
2. Why would one not care about time? Is there a generalizable class of
Although temporally bound being like ourselves associate time and causation
(like equating "since" and "because"), it is not necessary. Try thinking
about an effect that temporally precedes its cause. It doesn't happen
(AFAIK, but quantum physicists disagree). That's why you associate the two.
always
there. They just plainly didn't care."
or was that agreement that, given the non-existence of Time, my explanation
worked, or was that just some Thed-worshipping, chaos-ridden,
disease-spreading, Broo-loving anarchic outburst?
people that would not care? E.g. immortals living where Yelm don't shine?
Nick: "Now, that's an answer I'll accept!! Ergo, time/Time is violated, but
in a
world with little causality it works just fine."
There was causality. Remember the "because" in each sentence. There it is.
If you like the asymmetric 4D physics explanation, she simply moved in
three dimensions (space), while standing still in the fourth (which I guess
is called "not-yet-Time").
Something new:
What would a GL cult write-up look like.
(sound of fire extinguishers being prepared)
Chris Lemens, sometimes GL, sometimes GM
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