From: Nick Effingham (wal@eff.u-net.com)
Date: Sat 16 Nov 1996 - 01:34:51 EET
Chris Lemens, GL extradonaire, writes:
>Peter Metcalfe: The IG never demonstrated any interest in the Cosmos before
>the Compromise, and so I never see why he should afterwards. Maybe he
>doesn't care? Maybe he is bound by a super-compromise that only the Spider
>Woman understands? Maybe he doesn't exist?
Thank you for for arsing up your quote -- it was me who said that :)
>God Learner: Invisible God, Creator, Cosmic Dragon, Glorantha, Arachne
>Solara--they're all the same.
No, they're not. Well, not IMO anyhow. Glorantha and Arachne SOlara can be
more or less equated (more less than more, though), and we have seen the
effects of this deity upon the Cosmos -- she made Time, she ruled the
Celestial Court, she was there to restart Time at Sunstop etc.... The Cosmic
Dragon obviously exists (ask a Dragonewt) and the Creator is just another
word for IG AFAIK (any Malkioni buffs wish to prove me wrong?).
IMG the IG has no effect upon the Cosmos -- that's the whole point. Unlike
the other deities which everyone *knows* exists ("If Orlanth doesn't exist,
where the hell did I summon that Lightning bolt from?"), the IG does not
demonstrate any firm evidence of existence. The IG needs *faith*, not
worship. The IG is, IMO, very close to our own RW "God", all miracles are
met with possibilities on how they were done. If the IG proved his
existence, there would be no faith and therefore he would dissappear (in a
puff of logic -- as the saying goes).
>One last thought: the great thing about being a God Learner is that we had
>such an influence on everyone's cults that they have a very hard time
>figuring out what is their own and what is God Learning. We are fnord
>everywhere.
Not quite true -- they never penetrated into Dara Happa, and I'm not so sure
about Pent. I think Vormain is safe, but don't quote me on that either.
However I do believe the GL affected most religions across the Mundane Plane
of Glorantha, especially Orlanthi.
>Stepping from GL to GM: I really dislike the all-too-realistic idea that
>Orlanth was one or more normal folks way back when and because a God through
>the magical effects of worship. One may as well start discussing the
>evolution of Dragons from fish.
I agree. Just because it sounds more realistic, and perhaps more
evolutionary, doesn't mean it's true. Perhaps, just perhaps, they were just
powerful gods roaming the Earth doing exactly what the myths said. Although
the idea of Orlanth as a hero is appealing, the resultant train of thought
is quite intresting. Perhaps Humakt was the first Murderer, an outcast of
the Orlanthi family trying to get back into the clan by murdering prominent
nobles? Since he was cast out he would have, effectively, severed all ties
with his family, just like in the myth. Also, if he was a very good assassin
he may later have redeemed himself in the period known as the Darkness, and
thus been awarded a place in the Orlanthi Pantheon. As non-mystical as this
may sound, it's very, very intresting.... anyone have any ideas on who might
believe this sort of thing?
Just my two bisons worth,
Nick E.
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