From: Alex Ferguson (abf@interzone.ucc.ie)
Date: Wed 23 Jul 1997 - 16:22:46 EEST
Andrew Joelson writes in purported quotation:
> Alex Ferguson:
> > Finally, what is the true story behind the Harstar affair, and what is
> > the famous "lethargy which permeates Teshnos"?
That wasn't me, please mind your levels of nesting...
> All this aside, I am saying that the Diest mindset is the one
> that normally leads to Illumination, as the Malkioni normally end up with
> Solace, and the Kralorelan mystics normally end up with Enlightenment.
Well, that's a) quite different from what you said a post or so ago;
and b) confusing, since while Illumination and Enlightenment are relatively
similar processes, and perhaps even the same "state", Solace is something
_quite_ different. The contrast between "Deist" and "Kralorelan mystics"
is also misleading, as the Pelorian schools of Illumination are also
undoubtably of a Mystical bent.
Chris Bell, in the traditional riot of 40-line quotes and > 80 char lines:
> From some previous postings here on the digest, I've seen it written
> that Irripi Ontor was not only a priest of Lhankor Mhy, but also was
> Yanafal Tarnil's court Vizier and a fairly powerful practicioner of
> Carmanian/Malkioni style sorcery.
I think this was Nick's idea (or was it Loren? I'm not sure, as I
believe I recall one of 'em also had yet another idea, about him being a
Yuthuppan Celestologist (person who gets dizzy watching the Sky while
Greg changes his mind about it), and I forget who's was which), but I
think the point was he was this "instead of" being a Lightbringer, not
"as well as".
> [the essential factor in Illumination] It's one's attitudes and views in
> regards to Chaos and Law (or orderly structures) in Gloranatha and
> within oneself. Chaos is a universal constant in Glorantha, and it
> exists whether or not one is a Central Genertelan Deist or a Western
> Monotheist.
Well, you might think this, but I think it's fairly clear that Pelorians
as a rule don't, and Illuminants _certainly_ don't. Even the Malkioni
definition of "chaos" is considerably at variance from the good ole
Orlanthi one.
> Illumination would perhaps allow one to escape the Gift Carriers, for
> the same reason that one gains other forms of invisibility from the
> Gods.
I think "Psychic Liberation" and "invisibility from the Gods" make very
strange bedfellows in explaining Illumination. As Illuminants don't
cause Yelm to miss with a Sunspear if some Imperator prays to be rid
of this Turbulent Mystic, I don't think the latter explanation is a
very helpful one.
> The Red Goddess includes within her the entire healed Cosmos, being the
> feminine aspect of the Creator (Yikes! have I become Illumined?)
Rather, the Lunars believe that the Goddess _is_ the Creat[o]r[ix].
Sedenya created everything, and isn't merely the feminine aspect of
anyone else.
Good luck,
Alex.
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