From: Alex Ferguson (abf@interzone.ucc.ie)
Date: Sun 27 Jul 1997 - 04:15:15 EEST
TTrotsky sez:
> So, no to Illuminated GLs, but yes to Illuminated non-GL Malkioni,
> would be my take on the matter.
I can't really see it that way, myself. Illumination could certainly be
the thin end of the wedge for henotheistic and other heretical notions
for a "pious" Malkioni, and other minor consequences of having your
whole world view shattered. One might start to doubt the existent of
the Invisible God, frex, or believe you've actually personally contacted
him (generally a fast track to either sainthood or heresy, or very
likely both). The more irreligious, or "cynically religious" elements
of the GLers might have less problems in such respects, not more.
I think that broadly, Illumination could be (potentially disasterously)
disturbing to anyone of any mind-set, religion, or philosophy, but could
also at least theoretically be reconciled with any of them. The only
likely exceptions would seem to be other, different "mystical states",
such as Enlightenment (insohoweverfaras that is different), EWF-ish
draconic consciousness, or Arkatism. In that last case, we know that
from their common origins, it must be not so very dissimilar to
(Pelorian-style) Illumination, but as it's by its very conception
opposed to the other, it's hard to imagine them being compatible.
[Chaos as a universal constant]
> I could well be wrong here, but I didn't think the Pelorians deny the
> existence of Chaos, they just don't think it's necesserily a Bad Thing. I
> thought that at least some forms of Gloranthan Chaos were pretty objective
> phenomena. Please correct me if I'm taking cobblers...
Well, if they don't agree what it is, and they don't agree what the
correct attitude to it is, what's "universal" about the concept?
Obviously the average Pelorian thinks of the stereotypical "chaos
horror" as a Bad Thing, whatever he actually calls it. They also think
of man-eating trolls and other nasties as Bad Things, with little real
distinction. Conversely, things that would be seen as Chaotic by a
Sartarite, such as a Riddler, or the Goddess herself, certainly wouldn't
be. An Illuminant would realise even the sort of distinction native to
her own culture was Bogus.
I believe it was in Greg's RQ Con II speech that he said that what the
Lunars see as the "third world", that is, the mystical realm, is what
the Sartarites would regard simply as capital-C Chaos. That's quite a
difference in perspective...
In the Rump,
Alex.
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