From: Stephen Martin (email@example.com)
Date: Fri 21 Nov 1997 - 07:25:12 EET
Daniel Fahey is having trouble with his access to the Digest, so I
thought I would forward this for him.
I just saw this old digest and wanted to write a comment on it.
I still can't send messages to the digest for the benefit of everyone,
because everything I send to Chaosium STILL comes back. I thot I'd write
to you anyway.
Subject: The Glorantha Digest V5 #204
>I think his
>background explains his ability to _see_ things normally hidden
>to a mere Lhankor Mhy. Geolgar is, or becomes, what could be
>called "emotionally involved" in the ceremony. He is in a border
>region between "lay member" and inititate, because of his
>background. Therefore, he can observe both the ceremony's
>mundane ritual parts (with masks and implements etc), and parts
>of its actual God-time contents (the voice of Orlanth,
>Flintslingers on the horizon, a brief glimpse of Aroka etc).
Also, I do not think it is simultaneously possible for a person to both
see the sacred meanings and the mundane representations of a ritual.
Either you see a guy in a mask, or you see Orlanth. Maybe an illuminate
could manage to see both (but see below), but I think that is it.
As we were in Zuni they just happened to be visited by Kachinas during
very same two hours we were there. We wondered what the drumming was
and went to look. As we came around a corner of the Pueblo a Kachina came
on his way to where the others were starting in a Kiva. I could see a man
a mask, AND AT THE SAME TIME a Kachina. I was totally awed and didn't
I was allowed to be there, or look at him, or if one is supposed to do
something when a Kachina goes by. I watched him pass as I might any other
person who might attract notice, assuming even a Kachina is a person and
should be treated relatively normally, but I didn't greet him or anything
because I was just some dumb white tourist out of place. To me this man
real Kachina, altho I've never been brought up to believe this and don't
believe in my own culture's supernatural beings. I could see that he was
wearing a wooden mask with man-made accessories like plastic foliage, but
me he was a real Kachina too. We went to watch the ceremony, cautiosly
looking out for signals from the natives whether our presence might be
frowned upon, (no such signals). I saw the sacred beings performing the
rituals of another culture, and at the same time a group of men. That was
point. I'd just like to add that when I asked a girl who'd been sitting
nearby us on the roof of the Pueblo what the ritual was about, she looked
suddenly startled, as if I'd just appeared there out of thin air, and
"rain". We'd been there for some time, before she came, and I'd heard her
speaking English with others so she wasn't just startled to hear English
try to understand and answer. The very youngest kids speak Zuni, but she
quite old enuf to speak English. I thot maybe she was dumbstruck that
wouldn't know that, like if I'd asked what my own feet were for. Of
knew that much of their ritual involves summoning rain, but wanted to
it was a particular thing. We talked with some Hopis later and found it
common that spontaneous rituals are put together without it being a
particular holiday. That is something else one could put in Glorantha.
people do an unplanned ritual for some reason, and not just on Holy Days.
Hopi man knew which Kachinas we'd seen by our description, even tho they
from another sub-culture. He is a speaker for the elders, and has powers
himself and tranforms into a Kachina to perform rituals.
(for Daniel Fahey)
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