Lunar Colleges, Mostali

From: Stephen Martin (
Date: Fri 09 Jan 1998 - 21:35:23 EET

Nick Brooke's thoughts on Lunar Colleges were right on the mark, I feel
- -- it just feels so right. And since I had the misfortune to go to UC
Berkeley (no offense, but I hate that place), what he described is very
much what I saw there. Except that he left out the part about the
occasional student group protesting genocide in Sartar, sit-ins to teach
about the evils of the military-magical complex, protest marches against
economic blockades of Brolia, folk music concerts where even Dragarites
are allowed to perform, and the like.

His inspiration that all students must spend a year "abroad" with the
Lunar Army was a brilliant stroke, though a few gifted students might be
able to avoid this by participating in an student exchange program with
Orathorn, the City of 10,000 Magicians, the secretive Blue Moon School,
or a similar fully accredited institute of higher learning.

His discussion of the effects of the Hero Wars on the college and
students was especially insightful, reminded me of World War II (which, I
assume, was the intent).

Although I feel I should object to the Major Classes being equated with
post-graduate work, I find that I cannot -- it seems to work quite well.

And of course, the rare Major Classes graduate will stay to complete her
(or his) "doctoral" studies, thereby earning the rank of High Class
Magician of the Full Moon School.

Peter Metcalfe on TheCam's CivII list:
>Tendencies: Aggressive, Militaristic.

I would have thought that the Vormaini would have "Isolationism" as a
tendency, given their long history of of this practice.

>Female leader of Black Horse Country: Snowfly.

Isn't that Sir Ethilrist's horse?

And back to my and Peter's regularly scheduled Mostali debate:
>Only the Uz age half as fast as humans.

You are correct in this -- I misread the paragraph, because I was
misremembering what it said as I read it.

>And you are ignoring the
>fact that Ginkizzie doesn't become King as soon as he's made. He
>has to earn his position whether apostate or heretic or orthodox.
>And that takes _time_ in dwarf society. So Ginkizzie should be
>almost on his last legs by now.

Unless ... perhaps Ginkizzie is really Flintnail?

>>There are a number of clues to this in The Broken Council, in at least
>>two character write-ups.
>Surely Pavis was created after the Broken Council so how could
>there be clues to this in the character writeups?

Both Pavis' dryad mother and Isidilian the Wise were members of the
Council at the time of the Gbaji Experiment -- the cluese there or for
the two of them.

>However E. Rowe has come to your rescue by pointing out to me
>off-line that RQ Adventures #5 contains a gweg-appwoved
>interview by Isidilian which confirms that he helped Pavis.
>However it does not specifically state that he is the god of
>the Cult. I think therefore that Isidilian left behind some
>Rock Dwarves to help complete the City and that the nameless
>human son who founded the cult was actually Flintnail himself
>forging a cult of human auxillaries.

I can agree with this, as I suggested something _similar_ earlier, though
I didn't make the full connection. So, do you think that Ginkizzie could
be a true, non-apostate dwarf ruling over the misguided dwarfs who
remained behind after Isidilian left? I could accept the sorcery thing
instead of Divine Magic if that were the case. However, if a half-human
son of Isidilian stayed behind to found the cult, then it would _have_ to
be Divine Magic, I think you must admit, since the cult would have grown
up under the tutelage of the Pavis cult.

>After all, we pathetic humans can understand Marteler's schism from the
>Only Old One using human concepts of sheer greed.

Except that I am sure there was more going on here than sheer greed, and
thus a human concept of the situation will ever be inadequate to explain
it fully. I will stick with Sandy in claiming that the dwarfs of Pavis
are apostate. After all, it is not necessarily Isidilian who dooms them
to this, it may be another diamonddwarf who accompanies him who decides
to stay.

Perhaps there were two Mostali who accompanied Pavis, Isidilian and a
Rock Mostali or, more likely, Rock Diamonddwarf. After all the work is
done, Isidilian says it's time to go home. But this other dwarf, he has
other ideas, including actually creating a child with one of the humans!
Many of the rock dwarfs who came out to carve up the statue decide to
stay with their Rock Diamonddwarf leader, and not return home to Dwarf
Mine. And so the seeds of apostasy are sown.

Over time, the two Mostali figures could easily merge into one in the
popular mind, since Isidilian is so famous -- his being a Quicksilver
Mostali is probably not common knowledge, and after a few centuries of
troll devastation, a _lot_ of knowledge might be lost.

Of course, Pavis himself knows the truth, and official temple
pronouncements from the Pavis Temple proclaim this, which is why it is
only a _rumour_ that Isidilian is Flintnail.

This solution, as I see it, has the advantages of fitting all the known
facts, of fitting the hints placed into Broken Council, and of explaining
the problems with Isidilian not being a Rock Mostali.

I do agree with what Peter said about dwarf immortality -- I think it is,
as published, an innate characteristic rather than the result of umpteen
million Immortality spells cast however often they need to be.

Stephen Martin
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