Second Age Heortland

From: Peter Metcalfe (
Date: Sat 02 May 1998 - 10:26:31 EEST

Joerg Baumgartner:

>Peter Metcalfe about the 2nd Age map of Genertela in Uz Lore:

>>The map is somewhat achronistic as it shows Arkat's Empire (which
>>fell in 740 ST) yet we have the Kralori Empire as Jrusteli aligned
>>and the New Kingdom of Wisdom (which didn't form until after 768 ST)
>>and the Machine Ruins which didn't occur until after 917 ST. So we
>>cannot draw unimpeachable conclusions from the map.

>Bingo. Any conclusion based solely on that map remains questionable, then.

Wrong. I used the map to point out that the Heortlanders were
part of the Jrusteli Empire at one point or another. You attempted

to disprove this by using reasoning to claim it must have been when
Arkat's Empire was still in existance and that Heortland was therefore
a free trade zone for the Jrusteli of things. But since the map is
achronistic, your argument fails

>>>If the author wanted to show where Arkat's Dark Empire was, he could
>>>have shaded that part of the Jrusteli Empire after the conquest.

>>That would give the impression that the Dark Empire were allied to
>>the Jrusteli.

>Same for Nochet and Esrolia - both of which opposed the Jrusteli Empire
>but were taken at last.

We don't know if the Zistorite invasion of Esrolia was successful.

>>>Note that the marked territory is said to be an ally of the Empire.

>>Marked territories are said to be Jrusteli Empire or Allies.
>>Since Orlanth is said never to have submitted to the God
>>Learners (Players Book: Genertela p17), I think these people
>>were oppressed rather than allies.

>Suffering from the side effects of the experiments, but probably
>participating in the trade through the empire.

I strongly doubt it.

- --Peter Metcalfe


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