AS and Orlanthi sorcerers

From: Joerg Baumgartner (
Date: Wed 20 May 1998 - 22:09:00 EEST

Ian Welsh

> Arachne Solara does not respond to worship -- can't remember where I
> read that, but I'm quite positive it is the case.

There is a form of "organized" AS worship at Wild Temple in Beast
Valley, although "orgiastic" fits the bill better. Beastmen (and
possibly a few bestial human visitors as well) "dance", feast, slay,
couple, etc.

AS doesn't respond to worship by granting divine spells or intervention,
or accepting initiation. However, aspects of AS do respond to the
worship. The rites at Wild Temple seem to address Tara, the Lady of the
Wild, along with the supreme goddess of Nature, and IMO one-off
fertility magics (to be used during the ritual) are a big part of the
ongoing success of the beast people procreation.

Someone asked which is more fun:

>> 1) The orlanthi hate sorcerors. There are no sorcerors among the
>> orlanthi.
>> 2) The orlanthi hate sorcerors. But, some orlanthi are sorcerors.

>> Number two also makes more sense, IMO.

> Number one causes a lot less problems.

Such as making the presence of Seshnegi knights (e.g. Sir Narib's
Pithdaros contingent of black-skinned knights, in Argrath's Free Army)
and their wizards impossible?

"hate" isn't the same as "dislike" or "distrust".

> In Strangers in Prax the
> Orlanthi riot when a sorceror comes to Pavis.

The Orlanthi? All (even in the 85% sense)? Or some? Or a few (shaven?)
dickheads looking for another excuse to cause trouble?

> In a place they control
> I'm quite sure a sorceror would be lynched with whatever force was
> necessary.

Bollocks. Sorry, but this statement is ridiculous.

They might deny the sorcerer access to the place the control, deny him
the guest right. If he intrudes nonetheless, he is a hostile invader,
and they deal with him as with all other invaders. Which is usually
drive them off by a display of force, postponing lethal action as long
as possible because lethality is likely to occur on both sides.

They might admit the sorcerer by the laws of hospitality. In that case,
they cannot lynch him unless he performed a serious breach of the rules
of hospitality. Releasing a demon upon the community, yes. Tapping
(local) people or life-stock, yes. Performing a private ritual unharmful
to his hosts, no. They might encourage a practising sorcerer to move on,
but not lynch him.

The rules of hospitality apply for any community smaller than a city.

The paradox of an Orlanthi city has less clear-cut hospitality customs,
but IMO a lot of Orlanthi cities have significant minorities of foreign
stock, Westerners being one numerous minority. For a westerner to become
a resident, it takes a city council or city official to approve. For a
westerner to enter the city, it takes at least approval by the gate

> Number two also smacks of monty haulism.

I don't see what Monty Hall has to do with Orlanthi sorcery users. What
nationality did Delecti have before his transformation?

Do you fear Wind Lord Adepts? They'd be fairly ineffective, even if
there were rules to allow them.

Do you fear Wind Lords supported by Adepts? Happens already. I'm fairly
certain that quite a few chieftains in Aggar or Talastar would like to
employ a wizard in their entourage for the extra oomph to overcome their
rival chieftains. Few can afford this, but how do you think do e.g. the
Vadeli enter new trading grounds but by insinuating themselves to local
people in power?

Successful warlords like Greymane or his sons are quite certain to have
sorcerers serving them.

Apple Lane has Third Eye Blue iron-smith sorcerers (herding goats) as
established and accepted specialist residents. Now Apple Lane is hardly
your typical Orlanthi place, but none of the neighbouring chieftains
mounts ku-klux-clan like raids against the only smiths able to work his
scant iron, either.

If you think about sorcerers as people who dwell in a tower atop a
monster-filled dungeon and who tap the magical environment, how did they
get there in the first place, and who granted them entry? If you think
of sorcerers as magicians for hire, wouldn't you as a chieftain able to
hire these services want to hire them? (Of course, other specialists
would resent the intruder and his influence, but that's no different of
a foreign Orlanthi priest entering the service of a local lord and
diminishing a local priest's influence.)


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