From: Peter Metcalfe (metcalph@voyager.co.nz)
Date: Mon 04 May 1998 - 12:55:32 EEST
Nikk Effingham
>Why is it essential that all of Garundyer's Iron Council must be new
You are treating Heroquests as simple adventures. Look at the
>> Given that you wrote these notes to convey to us your impression
>aquaintances, the people he knows for longer are more likely to have
>accompanied him on HeroQuests and thereby gaining their own share of
>power and glory.
rest of Gloranthan heroes and see how many have childhood buddies
among their boon companions who partake in their quests? I can only
think of Keener Than who has now become Sir Ethilrist's enemy.
>> of Garundyer, the fact that your conception of him has Owain
>> acting somewhat unOrlanthi is independent of your presentation
>> style.
>It is an Orlanthi stereotype to say that all feuds never end - even
>in Icelandic sagas we have examples of Feuds, really viscious blood
>feuds, ending quite amiably (frex, "Thorstein Staff Struck").
And this has what to do with Owain's UnOrlanthi behaviour? All
>Garundyer is not meant, IMHO, to have internal problems of a major
Why do you assume this? He's an Orlanthi Hero, not someone
>Do people hate him? No! How can you hate the one man that
I think King Kochalong has a far more valid claim to symbolizing
he does is make a sign of forgiveness and serves Garundyer ever
afterwards as a Sword Thane.
>sort - I see Garundyer as being the perfect Orlanthi Hero welcome
>EVERYWHERE.
welcome everywhere. As such a big guy, he's bound to have
some people envious of his success or who have a grudge
against him. He's not the King, so people aren't obliged to
be nice to him.
>symbolises your entire community - the community of Lankst
>itself!
Lankst. And given the nature of Orlanthi society, it is bound
united behind someone who isn't their King seems false to me and
it would be a major cause of concern for the King of Lankst, whose
claim to power rests not on the fact that he's well-loved but that
he and his brothers can breath fire against his enemies. Already
we've identified someone who could hate Garundyer.
>Lankst, his threats are mainly (though not wholly) external i.e.
>Hsunchen, Dragonewts and Otkorioni (curse, spit, curse).
I'm dubious about his hatred of the Otkorioni given that the
>Owains hatred was great, Garundyer actions and Owains forgiveness were
Saying the event was 'exceptional' does not excuse that what you have
>> A more Orlanthi way would have Owain be one of Garundyer's companions
>A bit too cruel for the Orlanthi Hero I envisage.
Mercy is another virtue that Orlanth doesn't commend to his
>> Garundyer is liked by Orlanthi because he acts according
>He cares less about reputation, more about Lankst.
An major virtue of Orlanthi society is _honor_. If Garundyer
>As a Hero he sees the Big Picture.
But the Lanksti hillmen can not see this big picture. If Garundyer
latter manage to defeat Sentanos with Sigolf Cloudcrusher, a
spirit liberated by Garundyer himself.
>exceptional, but for the greater good, and all Heroes are meant to be
>exceptional.
currently told us about it is pallidly unconvincing behaviour for
Orlanthi. Why should Owain forgive Garundyer for "the greater good",
a notion unheard of in Orlanthi society? "Greater Good? How many
cattle is that worth?". Orlanthi are _proud_ and caving in unilaterally
is a sign of weakness. Garundyer's depicted actions are not heroic as
he is simply an object of Owain's unorlanthi act.
>> who dares to suggest that they retreat before an onslaught of Telmori.
>> Garundyer would then say "What? Without a scratch" and kneecap Owain
>> for his impertinence.
worshippers...
>> to _their_ norms, not christian ones.
does not care about that, then I find it difficult to see how
Orlanthi can respect him.
starts acting weird, then they will distrust him. Acting for them
means that he acts according to their expectations, _not_ diregard
them on the pretext that he is acting for an invisible greater good
of Lankst.
>> Garundyer
>He could have. But it is not neccessary that he does so - Garundyer
Leaving him open to a charge of being a coward in later life. Surely
>> could have quite happily disobeyed pop in these circumstances
>> with little or no shame.
>could just as easily have respected his fathers decision.
such a great hero could have stood and saved his father back then?
You do see now what happens if one starts ignoring the Orlanthi
virtues?
>> Yet Garundyer is felt to be an epitome of an Orlanthi Hero while
>> he is still alive. Hence I do feel it appropiate for him to kill
>> the Telmori Shaman.
>I believe that it would be fallacious to have all acts and actions
>accomplished by Garundyer.
Why not? This is an article _about_ Garundyer. Argrath kills
tax-collectors at a young age. Rastalulf is similarly precocious.
Having him mollycoddled detracts from his prowess.
- --Peter Metcalfe
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