From: Kmnellist@aol.com
Date: Sun 04 Apr 1999 - 11:42:56 EEST
I have been re reading the 'ShangHsa' myth of the month and wondered if
Firstly, it seems to me that Hemkarba 'where demons ruled' must be Dragon
Next, he is reborn as a Seshnegi nobleman ('son of an exarch'), Gillam
Crunch year appears to be 768, where Orvansfal ('on his deathbed') finds out
SO this Mao Tzen is really the founder of the EWF, the creator of the Empire
anyone could help me try to understand what it all means.
Pass circa 575 (ruled by trolls, heavy taxes ,widespread dissent over Arkat's
Command etc make it the place with the most suffering). So Mao Tzen is reborn
there and teaches Draconic thought - perhaps he is Vistikos ? Is there any
Dragon Pass person called Great Rebel Jem or anything similar?
De'stau, in Seshnela (Hesezmedi) where th people are 'slaves of Chelen the
Doubter' (ie Malkioni?). Now, Gillam established the School of Immanent
Mastery and was one of the adventurers of the Middle Sea Alliance who worked
for Orvansfal, King of Seshnela. In the King's opinion he was a 'slightly
crazed man' which fits with him really being a reincarnated eastern mystic.
Gillam is killed 'by a rival' before his plan was finished. I'm not sure who
thi rival may have been. He is soon reborn as his own son - ShangHsa. Now I
could speculate that 'ShangHsa' could be a Kralorlan version of 'Svalak' and
that Svalak was really the illegitimate son of the slightly crazed adventurer
hanging aroung Orvansfal's court rather than the true heir to the Kingdom of
Seshnela. He did, after all, have a Kralorelan Palce built in Valtorwal (to
make him feel at home?) and established Eest to rule Melib, Teshnos and other
Eastern ports.
that he had a large share in the conquest of Kralorela, and when Saintly
Yanoor commits utuma ritual suicide. Sandy Peterson speculated that ShangHsa
became saintly Yanoor which might really be ShangHsa realising the error of
his ways. This ties in with Mao/Shang/Yanoor then 'accepting the duty of the
entanglements which his actions brought about, and resulting in his full
integration into the world'.
of Sea and Land out of the Middle Sea Alliance, and a Dragon Emporer of
Kralorela -nice one Mao.
Next up is Godunya who also, IMO, alo interferes in Central Genertela to a
Godunya has gone off to meditate in a 'distant and lonely place' (which I
What I now wonder about is the Jaldon connection - Jaldon who spent several
large degree.
dates first: he flees Kralorela around 768 and is enslaved by the Lords of
Ignorance for a long period. Then he escapes and eventually makes his way to
Hemkarba (Dragon Pass again). Once there his teaching almost get him killed
but he gains followers and students. At this point I'd like to speculate that
he arrived in Dragon Pass about 820. This makes him on schedule to study with
Lord Pavis (809-830), give Delecti a few tips on being a Magus (819) and to
found the Here and Now faction. In 826 the Here and Nows (whose doctrine
leads the leaders to want to be worshipped as gods -like Godunya is later)
take over from the Forward Faction (who get devoured by a True Dragon).
take to be Prax?) He remains there until the Exarchs find him 'sitting amid
the ruins of dead Giants'. These ruins, I asume, are either on the Plateau of
Statues, or more appealing the City of Pavis. One could almost imagine that
Lord Pavis himself was simply a disguise for Godunya who meditated in the
Pavis Temple (which was impregnable until after he left in 1051).
years in Eastern Genertela and returned to sack Pavis. Was Jaldon really
motivated by False Dragon Ring politics - trying to get to the Emperor in
hiding? Did previous incarnations mean he had a good knowledge of Dragon
Pass to help in his raiding? Will we ever know? Perhaps ShangHsa is reborn as
Jaldon?
Sorry about the length of this question. I expect to be proved wrong on at
least most of it.
Keith N
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