Re: Tarsh during the Hero Wars

From: Weihe, David (Weihe@danet.com)
Date: Mon 16 Aug 1999 - 18:51:00 EEST


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Peter Metcalfe and Joerg Baumgartner arguing :
PM: Thus I think that Argrath did intervene on behalf of the Fazzurites.
JB: He surely followed their invitation, but I really doubt that he ever
JB: intended to let them keep the spoils of that rebellion.
PM: Whyever not? He only made Mularik Regent because he was forced to
PM: on the grounds of a foolish oath.

If Argrath was invading Tarsh for the Fazzurites, as opposed to because
their invitation was a convenient excuse, he would have restored Tarsh
to them at the conclusion. Instead, he clearly intends to keep it for

himself, but Mularik reminds him of the old oath made while they were
both with the Wolf Pirates, probably an oath of blood brotherhood, which
may have been necessary for Garrath [I assume that we all agree that
this Argrath was Garrath Sharpsword of the Cradle Battle] to survive
with them at all.

Thus, Argrath conquered Tarsh for himself, not just as a Fazzurite
supporter or pawn. Mularik then outsmarts him, and gets Tarsh instead.

PM: When Argrath hears about the Rebellion, he starts wishing for
PM: Mularik's death which would be perfectly in keeping with them
PM: being Fazzurites who Argrath fought for.

Argrath starts wishing for Mularik's death after Iron Eye stops paying
tribute to Argrath, because it becomes clear that Iron Eye is trying to
set himself up as an independent Western king, rather than as under-King
to Argrath, as had been promised and expected.

If he was the Fazzurite pawn that Peter seems to be calling him, then he
would have wished for Iron Eye's death right after he had to give him Tarsh,
assuming he would even have given it to him in the first place.

> So why does Argrath want Mularik dead after he crushes the Fazzurites?

Because at this point Iron Eye stops behaving as under-King and effectively
declares his independence, stopping Argrath's tax collectors, then
charging Argrath a toll to enter what Argrath clearly expected were his
own lands.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Peter Metcalfe and Joerg Baumgartner =
arguing</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PM: Thus I think that Argrath did =
intervene on behalf of the Fazzurites.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">JB: He surely followed their =
invitation, but I really doubt that he ever</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">JB: intended to let them keep the =
spoils of that rebellion.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PM: Whyever not?&nbsp; He only made =
Mularik Regent because he was forced to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PM: on the grounds of a foolish =
oath.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If Argrath was invading Tarsh for the =
Fazzurites, as opposed to because</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">their invitation was a convenient =
excuse, he would have restored Tarsh</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to them at the conclusion.&nbsp; =
Instead, he clearly intends to keep it for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">himself, but Mularik reminds him of =
the old oath made while they were</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">both with the Wolf Pirates, probably =
an oath of blood brotherhood, which</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">may have been necessary for Garrath =
[I assume that we all agree that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">this Argrath was Garrath Sharpsword =
of the Cradle Battle] to survive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">with them at all.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thus, Argrath conquered Tarsh for =
himself, not just as a Fazzurite</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">supporter or pawn.&nbsp; Mularik then =
outsmarts him, and gets Tarsh instead.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PM: When Argrath hears about the =
Rebellion, he starts wishing for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PM: Mularik's death which would be =
perfectly in keeping with them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PM: being Fazzurites who Argrath =
fought for.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Argrath starts wishing for Mularik's =
death after Iron Eye stops paying</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">tribute to Argrath, because it =
becomes clear that Iron Eye is trying to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">set himself up as an independent =
Western king, rather than as under-King</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to Argrath, as had been promised and =
expected.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If he was the Fazzurite pawn that =
Peter seems to be calling him, then he</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">would have wished for Iron Eye's =
death right after he had to give him Tarsh,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">assuming he would even have =
given</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">it to</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">him in the first place.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; So why does Argrath want Mularik =
dead after he crushes the Fazzurites?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Because at this point Iron Eye stops =
behaving as under-King and effectively</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">declares his independence</FONT><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
stop</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">p</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">ing Argrath's tax collectors, then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">charging Argrath a toll to enter what =
Argrath clearly expected were his</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">own lands.</FONT>
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