From: Alex Ferguson (abf@cs.ucc.ie)
Date: Fri 28 Jan 2000 - 23:15:48 EET
TERRA INCOGNITA:
> I still want information only GTA memberhood Hero available Eastern
> Dictionary:
> what is the basis of secret leakage in digest? Mr. Alex Ferguson?
I'm not sure I understand: are you looking for comments on existing
'leaks', or asking for there to be more? Hey, I don't want to devalue
the stock of 'Herodom' too much: a few more signups and there
might be the dosh for a Kralorela book! (Yay.)
> I cannot distinguish recent gregging source and abandoned material
I'd say the only significant Gregging has been in the idea of Daruda
being, rather than the 'inventor' of the draconic tradition, the
person we rediscovers it, and hence the Draconic identities
of the first two emperors, TarnGatHa and HeenMaRoun (note that
the NiangNao article doesn't belabour this point, as it's not
written from a Darudist perspective); and the names (in cases
where a Kralori name has been discovered, there being before only
an English translation (or indicative paraphrase), or named after
a 'cognate' deity (for example, 'Gorgorma'). At the risk of
wearing an old groove deeper, I'd say these were understandable
changes given the move from the GLish perspective the GoG and other
sources of that vintage, to something more in line with native
Kralori beliefs.
> AFAIK, Peter Metcalph plans Kralorelan Timeline table and chronology,
> doesn't he?
And if not, why not! (Not volunteering to do such a thing myself
appeals to both my lethargic streak, and the notion of Plausible
Deniability...)
> Kralorelan Prosopaedia
> source:CofHW, Sheng Seleris in G Con Compendium4
> Gods of Glorantha, Great Sages in Ye Booke of Tentacles2
> Missingland, Greg Sez! and some web information
Your compilation efforts seem pretty sound, by and large. I
should really see about getting some sort of Webbed-up version
of current thinking on Kralorela, I know.
> Emperors:
> TarnGatHa(eastern name: Vith): first light
Some light connotations, but principally first of the Ancestral
Dracons. (c.f. the draconic scheme in Elder Secrets).
> HeeMaRoun(western name: Yelm, eastern name: Goneramen): Sun over Shanshan
> Mountain (in Ye Booke of Tentacle#2)
While vaguely celestial, I don't think HeenMaRoun is really a Sun,
like Yelm; he's related mainly in the 'Illuminated Ruler' sort of
sense. (Though the method is not Illumination, and the comparison
is flawed because Yelm is Illuminated much 'later', mythically, but
I think that's the general flavour of the comparison.
Not sure what the reference is here.
> made afterlife land in Vithela(CofHW)
This was either he, or Daruda, or perhaps both, in some sense.
> Yanoor: transformed into dragon imperfectly by invasion of Godlearners
To put it in Crudely Materialist terms: he killed himself.
> Godunya: enthroned in Celestial War, conflict with Sheng Seleris
Yes, the 'War in Heaven' (that is, in Kralorela...).
> made magical bridges? (pharaoh Belintar modelled this work?)
I doubt they're a direct model, but one never knows... Belintar's
bridges are, to coin a phrase, to get to the other side; Godunya's
are for somewhat more grandiose purposes (as well as being on a
highly grandiose scale).
> Aptanace: original civilizedman (grandfather mortal?)
Usually Wild Man (his dad) would be equated with Grandfather Mortal.
> Rice Mother: daughter of Shavaya?, grain goddess
GoG says _discovered by_ a daughter of Shavaya.
> Gorgorma?: rebellous farmer goddess? gregged?
Not Gregged, though 'renamed'.
> Blue Dragon of Deep (eastern name: Harantara): connected to Zabdamar Race,
Kralori name is Thrunhin Da (Elder Secrets). The Zabdamar worship
Harantara as an ancestress, though the (kralori) Cult of Orca learned
from Thrunhin Da how to fight them.
Hope that all helped somewhat.
Cheers,
Alex.
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