From: Peter Metcalfe (metcalph@bigfoot.com)
Date: Tue 02 May 2000 - 11:06:53 EEST
Wesley Quadros:
>ML> >I was denying the number of parts as necessarily being 7.
>ME> Which makes him superior to the Goddess...
>Why?
Because Six Parts describe the knowable human or entity while
the seventh represents the unknowable transcendent part. The
Goddess's message was that she revealed people the Seventh
Soul. Having eight or more parts is an absurdity in Pelorian
metaphysics.
(I wouldn't normally be disturbed by this display of ignorance
since I don't expect anybody to understand Pelorian metaphysics
if they don't want to. _But_ when you and Martin are writing
the book on the Lunar Empire, highhandedly dismiss certain
statements on the basis of papal bulls from greg, and then reveal
that you have a deeply flawed understanding of the same and fail
to provide a coherent, groovy and tangible explanation of the
RE's nature despite repeated proddings, then I have to wonder
if you know what the fuck you are doing.)
>Yelm was only supposed to have three parts: the Highest Part
>(Vrimak), the Dominant Essense (Antirius) and the Lower Part
>(Bijif) [GRoY P.17].
>It would seem to me that fewer parts you have the closer to the One
>you are. If Yelm had remained properly pure then maybe he would not
>have fallen.
Humans normally have six or seven parts (depending on whether
they are enlightened or not). Not having all that many parts
makes you _incomplete_ according to standard Pelorian cosmology
(cf the God's First Error p31) where men and gods reveal
the six errors that can be committed (there's not enough
information to show the relationship between parts and error).
Yelm is closer to the One than he has ever been before because
of his Illumination and he still has Six Parts. To say that
if he had remained properly pure he would not have fallen is
like saying that if the Word had not become Flesh then it
wouldn't have been crucified.
> > What is wrong with the proposition that the Takenegi portion
> > being the Rashoranic portion? It is simple, elegant and it
> > doesn't fuck around with the sources.
>Which sources?
I listed them in the previous post which you quote below, bozo.
>What is wrong with the proposition that the Takenigi
>portion isn't the RAshoranic portion?
Because it requires the TakenEgi portion to be knowable
> > >Actually thinking over your point here, he has 6 Yelmic parts and
and not transcendent. That much should have been obvious
perusing Greg's Wastepaper Basket.
> > >7 DH parts. They are different parts. Antirius is not in the
> > >Lunar parts and Gerra is not in the DH parts, so how many soul
> > >parts does he have IYO?
> > Yelmic parts _are_ Dara Happan parts. Get out a copy of the
> > RQ2 con bloody compendium (p84) and the Entekosiad (p112) and
> > compare!
>a) Martin appears to have made a typo here.
So what? Even if he meant to say lunar instead of DH,
he is still bass-ackwards in thinking the Emperor has
13 parts. A moment's thought would have shown that this
meant the Emperor has two shapes.
>b) Why is there blood on your compendium?
Ask M. Laurie to explain.
> > What is being suggested is that for the Red Emperor, he
You _do_ realize that you are contradicting the Fortunate
This rite of rejuvenation has mislead some people to
Or do you simply not know what you are talking about?
> > has the Great Self portion as being TakenEgi. Since he
> > is an Emperor, his fire portion (Self Awareness) is
> > Antirius as are all Yelmic Emperors.
Succession p64 where it says about the Red Emperor's Third
Return:
believe that there has been more than one emperor since
then and the foolish historians of Darjiin even insist
on numbering them. Yet none of us who truly know are
fooled by outsiders, and we can easily see that the
soul of Antirius has united the masks one and all.
> > You have stated that the Red Emperor is a Gestalt of Parts.
> > The appropriate creation myth for TakenEgi's making would
> > be the creation of Murharzarm in the Glorious ReAscent
> > with the Lunar Egi adding the collective sum of their
> > Rashoranic portions.
>You of course mean "an appropriate", seeing how this is IYO.
What other myth do you know of then?
>Which ritual were you referring to? The only ritual in GRoY that
>I can find dealing with creation of life is on p. 10 and deals
>with the first people.
That's the one.
>Murharzarm was created before this (one paragraph to be precise)
>as the first child of Yelm and Dendara.
Wrong. The myths are not in strict chronological order and
can refer to the same event a number of times. To adopt
your method of interpretation would require us to have
Murharzarm to be killed twice (once in the myth of The Other
and the other in The Disintegration of Yelm) amongst other
silliness.
In the myth of the First People, it explicitly says that
"you six shall be the first Aristocrats" and elsewhere
indicates that they are male and female. Since we already
know that Yelm has three sons, the identification of
Murharzarm, Shargash and Buserian for the three male
aristocrats follows.
>Unfortunately, this assumes that he is first DH and secondly
>RE. I think that this is wrong and that he is first RE.
One can't be an Emperor without being invested by Dara Happan
rites.
>I don't even think he is an Antirian emperor (he can't be and
>still have orgies in the palace).
Have, by any chance, you ever heard of Illumination?
MOB:
>Hey Peter, I'm with you: I think I've still got a spare "Bugger
>Underling" card left over from my reign as Mathiman the Usurper
>in BC if you think it will help...
I find the Flame of Truth to be more...seemly.
- --Peter Metcalfe
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