From: Peter Metcalfe (metcalph@bigfoot.com)
Date: Wed 03 May 2000 - 11:11:50 EEST
Martin Laurie
>To the DHs, they would not equate his role as head of the DH
>church with his role as TeeloNorri or Verithurusa which the
>Lunar do. They would be insulted to be told by a mystical
>view that those parts were the same.
The Red Emperor has no Verithurusa portion and it is impossible
for him to have such because the available slot is already used
up by Antirius. No lunar mystic would claim Antirius and
Verithurusa are the same because those are observable portions,
not transcendent ones. It is not necessary for the Emperor to
have a Verithurusa portion any more than the Goddess needs an
Antirius portion.
> >But thats not what the 7 parts doctrine means.
>I would contend that you are right, but from a succession POV,
>the parts of the Emperor are also his priestly duties, rituals
>and obligations as the head of the cults and groups he is supposed
>to rule as head of state.
These things are not parts of the Emperor. Parts has a
specific meaning in Pelorian cosmology that doesn't
warrant tacking on political and religious roles. Otherwise
every man and his proxy could be said to have a gazillion
Parts.
>Parts list
>Takenegi - his singular self, bereft of all roles and positions,
>he still exists as a being.
It's still rather unclear as to whether you understand the
concept of a TakenEgi Great Self.
>Red Emperor - his Antirius right to rule.
As explicitly stated in the Fortunate Succession.
>All the Yelmic parts
No. Antirius is the only one that he really needs. He
cannot acquire the Shape Portion because that means he
has to turn into a glowing ball of fire. To acquire
other Yelmic portions is likely to be a waste of Parts
as it would prevent him from acquiring an Oroypsus
portion so that he can be a drunkard par excellence.
>To gain Bijiif for example, I belive the Emperor has to go to
>Alkoth and take part on the death of Yelm. I don't think many
>masks have done this.
In which case, it is not an essential Part of TakenEgi, but
rather one of the mask's Parts.
>Head of the Rifelzan Church. Prove that you are her son. This
>one is easy for him.
This is not a Part. This automatically follows from
demonstrating that you are TakenEgi (or at least
claiming to be in Artifex's case).
>Head of the Nathan church and ALL its aspects.
Again, this is not a Part for similar reasons.
>Padishah of Carmania
The Carmanians are intruders and their highest magics
do not use Pelorian soul concepts. Hence there is
no Part that they must have to become Shah.
I _suspect_ given the origins of Carmanos himself,
that the position of Shah uses the magics of the
Blue King (save that Idovanus blesses him instead
of Ganesatarus).
>Vrimak of Rinliddi
>Snake of Darjiin
Being the Emperor automatically confers sovereignty
over both Rinliddi and Darjiin.
For Rinliddi, you only have to look at the GRAY p97
to see the Bright Eagle Lord obeying the Emperor for
"though of bestial origin, the Emperor was rightly
anointed by star and sun;...". If the Paradisal
Aviator were to return today, he would be likewise
subject to the Red Emperor's will.
When the Darjiinians revolt, they appoint their own
Emperor. He would most probably be a Manimati, not
a high priest of Kotor the Black Snake as that is
only a fighting god whereas Manimat is the nearest
thing the Darjiinians have to a ruling god.
Hence there is no need for a Mask to integrate Vrimak
or Manimat into himself to rule those places. All he
has to do, like the Dara Happan Emperors before him,
is to demonstrate his Antirian nature.
- --Peter Metcalfe
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