From: Pok Iartes (pokiartes@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu 06 Jul 2000 - 11:35:15 EEST
Howdy All-
I just got my "Glorantha:Introduction to the Hero
Wars" the other day as a gift for my birthday [Thanks
Jason]. As I was reading through it, I was amazed to
see that in Chapter 11 - Maniria, the Maboder tribe
had gotten a re-written history.
G:IttHWp g.155:
"Many still remember with a shudder the fate of the
Maboder tribe. They rose in rebellion [against the
Lunar occupation], but in retaliation most of the
tribe was killed, enslaved or forced to flee to Prax.
Those clans that remained were forcibly incorporated
into the Lunar Way. Lunar settlers from Tarsh and
Aggar took their vacant lands."
Now I have recently been running a game at the time of
the Maboder/Telmori problems during 1606-1608, using
the information in KoS concerning the Maboder, their
neighbors and Jomes 'Wulf' Hrostelas' Lunar response
as a backdrop for some Lunar Army Ocuupation troop
PCs. The KoS version goes like this-
Kos pg 143:
"As long as they [the Telmori] remained skirmishing
this way no one cared except the victims. But after
the Telmori annihilated the core of the Maboder tirbe
in 1607 the situation changed. The Maboder had been
good Lunar allies, even refusing to fight for Boldhome
during the last invasion. Their ghosts appealed for
justice in a moving scene durin the Lunar holy rites.
The Lunar army moved from its city bases to avenge
them."
Doesn't sound like the Maboder rose to rebellion
So my questions are these:
against the Lunar Occupation. Sounds like they were
annihilated by vengeful Telmori for suckin' up to the
Lunars and not supportin' Sartar's heir against the
Lunar Invasion in 1602.
Was this a simple proof-reading error (instead meaning
to note the Dundealos tribe who rose against the
Lunars in 1618 after the Lunar Taxman took the King's
daughter against her will)?
Is this a re-write? If so, why is it necessary and
can we expect more of the minutia that makes up
Pre-HeroWars [TM] Glorantha to be nibbled away in
future Hero Wars products?
As the Maboder, the Telmori and Jomes Wulf have been
debated on the list in the past with results of
relative acceptance and extrapolation from the KoS
source-material, it strikes me as being something that
would also rise in the mind of those who run games in
Dragon Pass during the Lunar Occupation, as well as
those whose campaigns involves the Jonstown area.
The general dislike the Sartar-righteous Telmori have
traditionally had for the Lunar-lovin' Maboder and the
lack of support the Maboder get from their
opprutunistic neigbors may be important to campaigns
affected by that event back in 1607. (The Gwandor Clan
and the Culbrea Tribe, as well as, the Torkani Tribe
and, well, the surviving Telmori Packs) To remember
the Maboder as rebels changes the whole history of
northern Sartar (as it's presented in KoS) for the
decade and a half prior to the HW story-arc present of
G:IttHW (the campaign start time for the HW arc is
still 1621, just like in Avalon Hill's RQ products a
decade ago- When are we gonna get this Hero Wars thing
goin' full bore?).
Peter, I believe you worked on this product... Do you
have any insight?
Dana Winston
pokiartes@yahoo.com
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