From: David Cake (dave@difference.com.au)
Date: Fri 06 Oct 2000 - 20:56:04 EEST
Nils wrote:
> > The material world is the convergence of the six otherworlds (mystic,
>> sorcerous, theistic, animist, celestial, underworld).
>
>There is no mystic otherworld, the underworld is an
>intersection of the animist, theist and sorcerous ones and
>I though the celestial world was mainly a theist thing?
There is a mystic otherworld, its just the mystics dislike
it, so its not 'home ground' for them either. The 'Garden of
Temptation' exists, they just don't think you should spend time there
if you can avoid it. Because of the mystics refusal to interact with
it, it has different properties to other otherworlds.
To be completely honest, I think this abscence of a mystic
otherworld is very overstated, anyway. For something that doesn't
exist, we seem to know a fair bit about it (Summer Land Heaven,
Yothbedta's Stream, etc).
For a RW example, the Tibettans certainly spent a lot of
effort on describing the details of the otherworld. They essentially
believe much of it is illusionary or unimportant, but they still have
one.
Nils wrote:
> A major point is that the whole
>setup with mundane world and otherworlds is a big lie
>according to the mystics. The trouble is that once you
>reach the "mystic world", you disappear from the others
>and they disappear from your view.
Thats not really a mystic world, but a mystic state.
Conceiving it as a separate world is not entirely wrong - but as long
as you understand that its a world in which the concepts of time and
space are meaningless (instead of just extremely rubbery as they are
in the otherworld generally).
I think the mystics believe that those who are not of
sufficient mystical development definately do interact with the
otherworld
>Then there is the draconic otherworld...
I suspect that the draconic way doesn't really distinguish
the way other cultures do - if you put enough dragons in it, the
material world starts to become the otherworld.
Nils wrote:
> > > > Also I feel obliged to point out that the Lunars _do_ have a mystical
>> > > otherworld, of a sort at least.
>> >
>> > They do?
>>
>> Lunar Hells, most notoriously.
>
>In what way are lunar hells mystical, apart from the fact
>that the odd mystic (Sheng) gets stuck there?
The worst Lunar Hell of all, the one where the very air is
pain, the one where they stuck Sheng, is where Gerra's (and thus
Sedenya's) Illumination took place.
On the One True Glorantha, Alex wrote:
>Greg is for the most part keeping us guessing because he's guessing
>himself, I believe.
Or possibly because on many of these really big issues (like
whether the mystics, animists or whatever are 'correct) he doesn't
want to explicitly truth. I don't think Greg believes that there is
one true path to the gnosis - so why should it be so in Glorantha?
Cheers
David
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