From: George W Harris (GHARRIS%UNC.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu)
Date: Tue 22 May 1990 - 09:56:33 EEST
> >>unclear. For example, what happens to a shaman on the spirit plane who
> >>is reduced to zero magic points by a spirit? Is his body possessed?
> >
> >Yes, the body is possessed.
>
> I agree. I suppose that the shaman's spirit gets pushed
> back into his body, with the possessing spirit following,
> and taking it over. One problem, though--what about the
> shaman's fetch? Now, you have three spirits inhabiting the
> same body!
>
Yes, this is a problem.
> Perhaps the fetch gets a last ditch attempt to drive off the
> possessing spirit. If the fetch is defeated, the body is
> taken over. If the fetch wins, the spirit goes back to the
> Spirit Plane.
Actually, since the fetch is technically possessing the shaman's
body in his absence, the spirit would have to drive the fetch out,
if the spirit could manifest on the mundane plane, which i contest.
>
> Spirit bothering to fight off the losing shaman's fetch. I
> would allow a Spell Spirit to attack; it's mindless anyway,
Sorry, spell spirits cannot initiate spirit combat, which it would
have to do to overcome the fetch.
> and it wouldn't know any better. A Soul Waste Spirit
> doesn't have to bother; it may attack if it wants, but the
> Shaman automatically suffers Soul Waste anyway. An
> Elemental has two choices; it may manifest around the
> Shaman's body, evading all protections around the area.
>
> Perhaps I'm talking through my hat here. A more interesting solution
> might be for the Shaman's spirit to be lost on the Spirit plane in the
> same way that a forcibly discorporated adventurer's spirit would be
> lost. Then, the victorious spirit automatically possesses the shaman's
> body. The fetch doesn't cooperate with this, and so things do get
One thing that needs to be addressed is how the spirit in question
*gets* to the shaman's body. The spirit combat is taking place on the
spirit plane, & when the combat is over, you would *still* be on the
spirit plane. Returning to the shaman's body thence is a non-trivial
task
> somewhat tense for the shaman and his fetch. The fetch cannot expel
> the possessor; perhaps it can Mindspeak a companion, or perhaps a
Why not? actually, the fetch was there *first*, and would have to be expelled before the spirit could possess anything. & even presup- posing that a spirit *did* possess the shaman's body, well, a fetch can discorporate & attack in spirit combat, so why can't it do that here? However I think (I know, who cares what I think) that the victorious spirit would just have control *on the spirit plane* of the shaman's magic point-less spirit, while the shaman's fetch would be back home in the shaman's body. This does leave the shaman in quite a fix, which is a good reason for a shaman to know Spirit Screen 10. It would be possible for another shaman to attempt to find the offending spirit somewhere on the spirit plane & wrest the first shaman's spirit from it, but how he would do this I don't know.
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