From: Mr Robert McArthur (mcarthur@fit.qut.edu.au)
Date: Mon 04 Oct 1993 - 22:07:42 EET
johnjmedway writes
> Interesting coincidence. An Etyries player character just bought some
> hyeana skins, with the intent to sneak them into a sale to an Issaries.
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> joerg:
> >> Your Illumination reasoning doesn't work, why else could illuminated
> >> Humakti or Yelmalions ignore their geasa without negative consequences,
> >> which have nothing to do with chaos?
> >>
> >> A possible explanation to this might be that while Etyries WAS
> >> illuminated, this priest wasn't, so that he has to follow the
> >> strictures his deity could ignore.
>
> If interpreted loosely, this could also imply than until illuminated,
> a worshipper of Yanafal Tarnils, could not be resurrected; a Irripi
> Ontor priest would have to wear a beard, etc.
No no no. Since they are worshipping a deity who is illuminated, they must obey the strictures of the deity. If the deity has loose strictures (w.r.t. chaos, throwing hyena skins around etc) then they can obey them. That is, they don't have to wear a beard, unless Irripi Ontor did; could be resurrected, if Yanafal says it's ok.
Yanafal and Irripi et al are new deities who, IMHO, have taken some powers from other beings (but see below). Thus, their worshippers need not be illuminated to gain their powers. Of course, only illuminates could reach the upper levels and use the real powers of the deity. The question could now become: is every *priest* of any of the 7 mothers illuminated? (in order to be that close to their deity. Given the discussion on the list about the worship of Yelm in his guises by people never having heard of him in his other form, I think it ok for priests to be un-illuminated.
>
> Better to say that he was a member of some Etyries subcult, or had been an
> Issaries until he coinverted, or that this was not one of the "improvements"
> of Etyries, than to pin such things on illumination.
Hmm, can anyone provide any details/explanation on how close any other seven mothers are to their counterparts (eg. Etyries vs Issaries)? Especially given the absolute similarity in the powers/rune spells available. For example, no other cult besides Humakt and Yanafals has reusable sever spirit, even though many are deeply associated with the death rune. The idea that the 7 fought and injured/killed their counterparts on the heroplane and then stole some of their powers dosen't really wash since they have ALL of the powers of the original god. Stealing/gainaing a power that way should not make you as powerful/good at using it as the original god, especially as the original god has had a *lot* more time (:-) than you to know its ins-and-outs. In Nomad Gods, one of the items is the the bow that, reputadly, Yelm(alio?) used. The first people who got hold of it were one of the Prax tribes. Ever since they have had remarkable ability with the bow. It also says that, of course, it doesn't do that for it's finders/users any more. This would seem to say that the first being to find/use something has a large advantage over those who come after. <Ramblings end>
Robert
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