From: Joerg Baumgartner (joe@sartar.toppoint.de)
Date: Tue 09 Nov 1993 - 10:44:15 EET
Nick Brooke in X-RQ-ID: 2229
>Subject: Lapsed Brithini, etc.
>Sandy said:
>> Obvious the Brithini have little or no religious paraphernalia of any
>> kind, being the strongest atheists in the world. Anyone who converts,
>> dies. All the Brithini who would have converted did, long ago (and died).
>... and their descendents are the Malkioni peoples of the West. No? That's
>how I'm coming to see Malkion's prophetic mission in the Great Darkness: he
>taught the Brithini an alternative way of living, that involved having
>children and accepting death.
Is this the message of Solace?
>> How would we view a colony of people who bred like flies, only lived to
>> age 5, had babies of their own at age 1 or 2, and whose idea of 'civi-
>> lization' extended to what we would call 'Playing House'?
>I love this comparison. It does, however, necessitate a distinction between
>"Malkion, Ancestor of the Brithini" (husband of 'Britha' and father of the
>caste-ancestors, Talar, Zzabur, Horal, Dromal, Waertag and Menena), and
>"Malkion, Prophet of Solace" (who leads the Exodus / Hajr / Secession of
>some of the Brithini, his followers, to other lands of the West).
IMO this is only a temporal distinction. The first is Malkion before both the first occurance of death and his revelation from the Creator/Invisible God, the second is Malkion altered by these events.
>This is at present not supported but not incompatible with what we know
>about the West: I am thinking especially of the problem that the Brithini
>(atheists, no afterlife, no morality, no obedience to Malkion's command-
>ments) claim to be the oldest and best Malkioni. If they mean the *other*
>Malkion, it all becomes simple. And, if the name "Malkion" means something
>like "Father of the Nation" or "Glorious Leader" or whatever to a
>Westerner, it would be understandable that the (later, Ice Age) prophet
>would take this mantle on himself.
[Esrolites]
>Joerg's "Ancient Celtic" look
>makes sense if you want them to be close to Orlanthi -- though I would
>steer clear of this as there's Ralian queendoms that work this way already.
Are there? Tell us more! But even if there are similar cultures: what's wrong with that? In both cases (and in Tarsh as well) Orlanthi culture merged with an older, matriarchal chthonic culture and produced something unique in detail, but similar in other aspects.
Ok, here's my peace offer: The Esrolites are the parallel to Alternate Earth Egyptians where the invading Sea Peoples managed to take the lower Egyptian regions instead of being repelled (around 1300 BC).
I liked the Minoan parallel offered today, too.
Steve Gilham in X-RQ-ID: 2230
>Subject: Re: Resurrection
>I would guess those substitutions to be respectively necessary
>(since Ginna Jar isn't worshipped) and easy (since Flesh Man ties
>up with Daka Fal, in whom all mortals are supposedly
>involuntarily initiated). But by that reasoning, the subject of
>the ritual would have to be a Solar cultist, and probably not
>just an Elmali either!
I agree with Thom that the active roles of the LBQ ought to be played by cultists (better: Rune Lords) of the appropriate cults. Of course the CA Resurrect version of it would leave out certain parts not relevant to the resurrection, and in less demand of a Rune Lord, but the more magic, the better.
Elmal wasn't slain by Orlanth, so the recipient wouldn't take his role. Yelm the Emperor, a relative (uncle) of Orlanth, was, and his role is teh passive one.
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-- Joerg Baumgartner joe@sartar.toppoint.de
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