From: Joerg Baumgartner (joe@sartar.toppoint.de)
Date: Thu 25 Nov 1993 - 22:05:31 EET
Mark Sullivan in X-RQ-ID: 2416
>Joerg Baumgartner on: Mountains, the universe, and everything
>> It would be nice to think of the sky as the upper half
>> of a sphere, and the realms of darkness (i.e. hell, or
>> wonderhome in trollish legends) is the lower half.
>I really liked your idea on the divided sphere. Sky above, Darkness below,
>and Earth/Sea dividing the two. But if Air fills the void between Sky and
>Earth, due to Air's sundering of Earth and Sky, why is there a parallel
>half-sphere below? Air didn't sunder Earth and Darkness. Still I like
>the image too much to give it up.
Where did you think I'd put water? This came between Darkness and Earth, and to my information still is there...
>However, I would contend that because of Orlanth's defeat of Yelm and the
>displacement of the Sky by Umath, that Air blocks the line of sight.
>Sight is an attribute of the Sky. In God Time before the birth of Umath,
>sight was not blocked. One could see in a straight line as far as the eye
>could see. Now the power of eyesight is limited due to the defeat of the
>Sky gods by the Air gods.
>So, how far can one see in Glorantha. I don't know. It probably varies
>based on the relative strength of Sky vs Air on a daily/weekly/seasonal
>basis. "On a clear day you can see forever"?
I am not a Yelm sympathizer, am I?
John Medway in X-RQ-ID: 2417
>> David:
>>>1. How hated _are_ horses? (Would a band of Praxians attack someone just
>>>because he rode a horse?)
>> Yes! (Unless there's more of you than them, you're under the walls of
>> Pavis, or whatever)
>Good. I'm counting on that for a scenario.
Hmm. Borderlands "Into Giantland" had the PCs ride on HORSES to the Hidden Greens and on to Gonn Orta's Pass, and in the oasis scene (with the greeting contest) they seem to be accepted if they manage to beat the nomads at their own games.
[me about Yelmalio licenses]
>I don't have the rules here, but isn't there a geas regarding darkness cults
>and/or creatures? Though the ZZ nutcases are kept closely watched, what about
>Annilia? Xiola Umbar? Argan Argar? These exist in some number in the empire,
>and a Yelmalio with any geas regarding them may cause a bit of a problem.
So the Yelmalios keep their mouth shut, and refrain from assisting? Big Deal, really...
>Then again, especially in Dara Happa, it would always be the trolls who were
>blamed anyway.
Oh, and there Yelmalio's name would be Antirius or something, not Elmal or so...
Sandy Petersen in X-RQ-ID: 2413
>Joerg Baumgartner asks:
>>In the description of the Silver Shadow Sultanate/Satrapy it is
>>mentioned that the region basks in the silver shine. Does this mean
>>that tne Red Moon is translucent, and focusses the stars' light onto
>>the crater, after filtering out the red glow it sends out?
>>And how high is the Crater, how high above it is the moon?
>The Silver Shadow sultanate is where the moon blocks out the sun's
>light. Presumably, since the sun circles Glorantha while the moon
>stays still, this is primarily a magic effect. Either that, or the
>eclipse only happens at noon.
Another one for the unresolved moon physics department. I'll put it to the question of Lunar cycles within the Glowline. But again: in which height must I expect the Red Moon? In KoS a rogue planet is said to blot out her Redness's light at Dwernapple, so it must be pretty high.
>The Crater's surface is, in fact, on the moon itself. There's a magic
>connection between the two.
So to scar the moon's face, I just can Fissure the Crater as per Maran Gor spell? Cute, once the Exiles go into the cosmetics department.
Nick Brooke subjecting Enemies Without Friends in X-RQ-ID: 2414
>> If any adventurer party wants to play a part in the upcoming Hero Wars,
>> quest for these artifacts, and deliver them into the focus of fighting,
>> Sartar.
>Might be stiff competition from that Garrath Sharpsword in Pavis... I think
>he's got pretty much the same idea.
My idea exactly. But since this guy will take a three year break soon, travelling the ocean, opportunity is better than ever before!
BTW, has anybody (with access to a somewhat detailed version of the Harrek-Saga) ever thought about doing that Cradle scenario, and then accompanying Harrek and Argrath on their trip south?
>> And what kind of Malkioni were those from Nochet? How many were there?
>> How important was their bishop in city politics? How important is he
>> now? Is it Nochet where the highest religious authority of the Trader
>> Princes of Maniria lies, or is it Ralios?
>My theory: they're a peculiar old-style sect of pacifist white-robed types
>who live in the catacombs beneath the city and still defend some ancient
>secrets entrusted to them by Arkat the Conquerer at the end of the First
>Age. Their bishop *was* important a while ago, maybe, but is now pretty
>well removed from the official centres of power. I use them like the early
>Christians in Rome ('round about Nero's time): good for rioting against or
>persecuting, and with oodles of secret converts and recognition-signs.
This certainly would have changed with Dormal becoming a major cultural hero. But then: who pretends to run Nochet, and who does so in reality? What would a visitor to Nochet experience?
Your picture of Nochet Malkionists fits perfectly into later Second Age Nochet, when the God Learners had the upper hand, and traditionalist Malkioni (other than Hrestoli Linealists developing into Rokari) were forced into hiding. In Third Age Maniria, with all those other Malkioni around, why should they hide? It's rather the Issarian Church who would get that medieval Jew stigma of the non-producing, interest-grabbing merchant drawing all that money out of the land. And the Trader Princes seem to be well tolerated all over Maniria.
Nochet is the place most likely to meet Malkioni whose believes drastically differ from each other's, and the bishop would have to be economically - oops, oecumenically inclined to satisfy all. An Issarian, to communicate and earn... I'm getting cynical.
>The Issarian sect of the Trader Princes would probably be centred around
>their mercantile hub at Venice -- sorry, that's Handra -- but would be
>pretty decentralised in any case. Not related to the Nochet sect (except
>insofar as they're all Malkioni together, for what that's worth), though
>they'd certainly have trade missions with accompanying church officials.
Venice never was a spiritual centre in Italy.
Malkionist sects regarding each other: I know that the Jonating sect (seemingly based on Second Age linealist Hrestoli sect, thus differing from Loskalm) acknowledges the Ecclesiarch from Southpoint (idealist Hrestoli) as highest religious authority, as do most Fronelan henotheists ("Stygians" seems inappropriate here, where Arkat never had been). How so without losing its identity? Or does the distance help, as it did for Pelagian and Irish sects in Celtic and Anglosaxon Britain?
Then I have a cameo for you: accompany the Ecclesiarch's legate from Southpoint to Okarnia, and make sure he or his dignity aren't injured. For inspiration, get information about legate Germanus' mission with Vortigern and his Pelagian supporters (Gildas' accusation of Celtic lords' unholiness, as interpreted in "The Quest for Arthur's Britain", ed. Geoffrey Ashe).
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-- Joerg Baumgartner joe@sartar.toppoint.de
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