From: David Dunham (ddunham@radiomail.net)
Date: Sat 29 Jan 1994 - 21:57:21 EET
>From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
>However, Kargzant is still worshipped as
>"Yu-Kargzant" by the Grazelanders, and (I deduce) the Pentans.
I'm pretty sure the Grazers worship differently than the Pentans (who are after all the False Sun-Horses). The Pentans were probably polluted by their contact to the Dara Happan sun gods, and would have adopted their ways (since Yu-Kargzant is described as being a less powerful sun god).
I've heard that the Yelm cult as written up is pretty much a Pentan variety. We know the Grazers don't worship Yelm by that name, and have separate deities for different age groups, not merely different aspects/subcults of Yelm. (Of course, Dastal, Jardan, Henird, and Josad correspond closely to the Pentan subcults of Yelm the Rider, Yelm the Warrior, Yelm the Leader, and Yelm the Elder. A Jrusteli God-Learner might try to call them the same, but this would horrify Grazers or Pentans.)
In Glorious ReAscent of Yelm, it's apparent that Kargzant is a separate celestial body (not nearly as bright as Yelm). Kargzant doesn't seem to be visible any longer (not mentioned in Elder Secrets, at least). There are three explanations: 1) it no longer exists; 2) it still shines, but Yelm is so much brighter you can never see Kargzant; 3) the pitiful (but shiny) portion of Yelm that went to Hell was reunited with Kargzant after Orlanth made atonement. The reunited deity is now known as Yu-Kargzant. The Grazers obviously believe #3, and point out that before the bright sun was emodied in Yu-Kargzant, it didn't move across the sky dome.
Of course, unlike the Dara Happans, the Grazers don't consider Kargzant the Nomad to be a rebel deity.
> Does anyone else think that Shargash is Umath and/or Orlanth? After
>all, Umath is a child of the Sky.
Shargash is a son of Yelm and Dendara; are you being taken in by "Shargash the Thunderer?" "Shargash met Umatum [Umath, most likely] in battle and sent him crashing to the earth." "When Umatum came to fight ... Shargash turned the Destroyer away without the rebel even knowing what occurred. Since then, no rebel of the Umatum family can stand still or go in a straight line." This sounds like an explanation of how Air gods are the way they are. Shargash appears more to be elemental War (runes are probably Death, Disorder, and Fire).
>From: jacobus@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney)
>What a proper Humakti is depends entirely on WHERE that Humakti is (or more,
>accurately, where that Humakti came from and joined the cult).
Yes.
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