From: Joerg Baumgartner (joe@sartar.toppoint.de)
Date: Tue 24 May 1994 - 22:14:19 EEST
Alex in X-RQ-ID: 4103
> Oh? Why do you say that? Is this identification actually part of the
> creed, btw, or was it just a `marginal gloss'?
More the latter. It pertained to the importance of Runes more than on Elf and Dwarf elements.
>> Grower and Maker are part of the cosmology, explaining the basics of >> Creation in one paragraph.
> Well, I did _say_ it was specifically the cosmology I was talking about,
> not the henotheisist aspects of worship. Only the dwarves and elves
> trundle these two out, even cosmologically, I think.
And that book treats _mainstream_ Orlanthi!
> This'll be the Backup Emergency Rationale, then? Let me reiterate, I'm not
> trying to Alex your campaign, by any means, I just don't see the imperative
> for the sorts of things you suggest, if, as you imply in between times,
> this stuff is _just begging_ to become official.
When I put my Seven Winds scenarion from Free INT 5 into Heortland, I knew nothing about the Aeolian Church of Heortland. I was pointed to it by one illustrious personage of this forum (thanks again, Nick) and everyone else I asked about them (including Sandy) had heard about them before. All I did was to write down what I had gathered, and fill in the missing parts. If this is _not_ the way to produce products for Glorantha, I am at a loss how anybody's vision of Glorantha can be put into a project intended for publication.
Let me state again: I dont want to muck up anyone's Glorantha. I used material offered to me to build a more complete picture around it. I wanted to participate in our collective effort to make RuneQuest as popular as it was back when one could read the White Dwarf in awe.
To be honest, I feel a bit abused.
> That's begging the question. They are _thanes_, who just happen to be
> called knights, according to the source.
> Knighthood is a remarkably mundane concept, when it comes right down to it.
> I bet there are "pure" Malkioni knights who don't even engage in "pseudo-
> cultic" saint worship of any kind.
> We're talking about mass conversion here, not covert, residual sects.
Not conversion. More an add-on. As Belintar was added on the cults of Kethaela when he came into his primacy. (All of the cults of the Holy Country were changed by this. Some fundamentally, by this add-on. Ask Nick about the Esrolite Year King rites.)
> I think we (sort of) agreed several messages ago about Malkionised
> overlords; I think the _bulk_ of Heortlanders are still recognisable as
> Orlanthi, though. e.g., would see being a sorceror/wizard as being
> incompatible with most cult vows.
The Ditali Orlanthi have no problems at all that their lords are Malkionized, and would be hard put to find a reason why to burn all wizards - didn't their castle wizard give them this wonderfully sharp spearhead for te raid on Esrolia? Of course they'd burn evil sorcerers. The wizards would order them to do so, as would their priests.
> I'm not sure that even the upper crust
> are frequently sorcerors,
You mean sorcery-users? These are hardly what the populace would call sorcerers. A sorcerer is someone steep into unholy magic, not a Chalana Arroy healer who happens to know and apply sorcerous Treat Wounds.
> but if they are, I don't think the hoi polloi
> are, nor would I favour having a unitary religion for both which explicitly
> includes both "options".
How did you feel about MOB's Thurla character in Hut of Darkness, from TotRM 9, then? I tried hard not to allow this kind of character among the Aeolian Heortlanders, with magic more conservative Glorantha fans than me failed to criticize.
Still Alex, in X-RQ-ID: 4105
> Head Heretic Hnick Hbrooke.
>> I'm not convinced of it, but I did find another one in Glorantha. Try the
>> The Mother Gata >> The Daughter Empress Earth >> The Holy Ghost Earth Witch
> Hbah! That's a Trinity? Rather more like the Romano-Greek triple earth
> goddess, or indeed the hideous number of triple-aspected Celtic deities,
> are we going to count those as Trinities?
It's a trinity in one of the senses as I used it in my Aeolian write-up. Henk, please?
> Glorantha goes a bit far by making the earth one a tri-trinity, mind you.
> On the other hand, why does a Trinity have to be "necessary" in order to
> amuse ourselves by kicking the idea around? Is someone out there trying
> to prove a "This is True for All Sects, in all One True Gloranthas" type
> argument, one way or t'other?
Now Alex managed to confuse me.
and yet Alex in X-RQ-ID: 4106
> Only one ("official", and not even a RQ) publication has alluded to Elmal,
> so if it's such a stinker, why worry about it?
More will follow.
> Those of us who like the
> Gregged Yelmalio now have an interesting extra bit of Orlanthi mythology,
> and an explanation for the cult that makes a lot more sense than the load
> of twaddle in CoP. What, exactly, has everyone else "lost"?
Innocence?
Losing innocent faith can be a tearing experiene... Part of this is what initiation is about. <Hah! He said it again!>
> The main problem with the Elmal discovery was its timing, I think. That
> it came out at roughly the same time as Sun County suddenly created a rash
> of inconsistencies which wouldn't have arisen otherwise. Perhaps SC should
> have been Gregged, but how well would that have gone down with the punters?
Excellent question. Especially in the light of my recent experience...
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-- Joerg Baumgartner joe@sartar.toppoint.de
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