Associates

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From: CULLEN O'NEILL (cullen.oneill@thuemmel.com)
Date: Fri 27 May 1994 - 16:07:49 EEST


Alex in X-RQ-ID: 4160 

A> I think Joerg's model, in seeking to liberalize worship in
A> broadly laudable ways, does serious damage to the established
A> significance and importance of cultic initiation.

Happily, my presence in this debate becomes superfluous... since this is precisely the point I was attempting to make. I agree totally with what is said here, and have tried to state the same in my posts. 

A> I agree that individuals worship, in some sense, more than one deity
A> from the pantheon.  Have been agreeing, loudly and seemingly
A> ignoredly.  I just think it's a great mistake to devalue the meaning
A> of the status of Initiate so that "everyone gets to be an initiate of
A> everything".  A much more profitable avenue, IM(NS)HO, would be leave
A> initiation (mostly) unmolested, and ask:

In order, I will attempt to start in on these questions: 

A> "What magical benefits should accrue to a person not an initiate of
A> any cult, or to a person belonging to a different cult in the
A> pantheon?"

As I see it, what is needed is a broadening of the concept of associate
(or whatever term anti-GL'ers would prefer), I think maybe anybody who
is an initiate and participates in the rituals of a god can get the spell that god gives to associate cults... as single use only.

A> "How do they take part in the worship of the given deity?"

(IMHO) they would take a mythologically defined role, if
possible, otherwise... uh temporary myths? I'm not really sure... Orlanthi could probably come up with a story, they're loose enuf... lunars have even more freedom with creative mythology... perhaps to become an associate initiate, a myth would be devised by the leaders of the cult???

A> "What do we call them?"

Associate initiate, or in character... "Our Orlanth initiate," (of a Orlanth initiate associating with Barntar cult), etc... well its an idea. 

A> Yes, I see that analogy.  Sounds like <reaches for macro> associate
A> worship to me.  At least _some_ form of associate worship, even if
A> there are serious problems in the current rules.  Are there?

Well, I've basically suggested making any non-hostile god a potential associate... in my opinion the current rules are too rigid... I'd like to take them as guidelines, and make permission of the leaders of both cults the requirement, (ie: GM desicion). 

A> I'm certainly not buying.  If the local LM site or shrine is located
A> in the Barntar temple, then they are de facto associates whether the
A> rules say so or not.        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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This is where I got my idea... just to give credit where its due.

Loren J. Miller in X-RQ-ID: 4176 
L> thing at the RQ-Con Heroquesting seminar.) With constant worship
L> there must be constant minor adjustments to the cult. These minor
L> adjustments have to be local in effect, or it would get a lot uglier
L> than regional variations as the cult would change precipitously every
L> year.

This would fit in well with my suggestion that associte cults should be very flexible... Great info, Thanks!

Cullen
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