From: Joerg Baumgartner (joe@sartar.toppoint.de)
Date: Wed 01 Jun 1994 - 01:51:03 EEST
Nick, in X-RQ-ID: 4257
> Me, I think a lot of Orlanthi have Hsunchen ancestors: just think of those
> Bulls and Sheep and Cats worshipped all over the place. This tendency comes
> closer to the surface in Wenelia than in other places I've seen -- not in
> traditional Hsunchen one-animal clans, but tribes where Fox and Lion and
> Boar and Stag people all work together, and intermarry, and worship gods as
> well as totem beasts (like they do in Rathorela these days).
While I agree broadly with this theory, I still think that there were a lot of descendants of Orlanth's stead around throughout the Barbarian Belt. I think the Dawn Age Theyalan missionaries did not just convert Hsunchen, they also searched for and found the "lost tribes" of Orlanthi, spread well into the West.
These need not necessarily have been direct descendants of the Kero Fin tribes. I envision quite a lot of nations of hill people descended from lesser goddesses of the land (powerful Oreads) and the host of Vadrus (whoever he was) sweeping over Genertela, who were contacted by the Theyalan missionaries.
I don't think that we ought to differentiate between Hsunchen and other humans in the Godtime and Dawn Age as much as we have to do after the God Learners invented the Hykimi. The ability to change into one's phylum seems to have been wide-spread in Godtime. Yelm seems to have been able to do so (how else do we explain King Griffon?), Ironhoof seems to have reawakened this creating the Grazer tribe, Triolina still is (although in a different way), Paul claims this for all darkness creatures. The Praxian ancestors and founders are depicted as part human, part beast, and King Heort with his antlers looks similar.
Maybe the (EWF) Remakers ignored the Hykim connection and caught their creatures somewhere in the transition stage? (see below for the durulz)
The Hsunchen descent:
GRoY introduced "new" hill barbarian peoples, like the Ram people
with their deity my God Learner secretary recognized as Heler, or the
cattle people. (Do all the finger goddesses relate to some Hsunchen
tribe which at some point became aggressive towards Dara Happa?)
The Dara Happans say they descended from Uldoviham. (Does this make
them somewhat like the Japhetites christian scholars of the early world
conquest (by Spain and Portugal) pretended to find throughout the
new continents?)
Anyway they too say that these people descended from animals and
humans, conceived during the early stages of the lesser darkness
already. Excuse my God Learning, but the Kralori legend of Wild
Man comes to mind, who mated with all kind of nature. But the
host of Vadrus did the same, didn't it? Urox' mating of Eiritha also
fits this bill.
Would it be presumptious to say that Grandfather Mortal was a Vadrudi?
Hmm, again at my pet theme of human origin... Back to the beasts.
Heler was adopted into Orlanth's stead - probably along with his people. Cattle had been in the family for a long time - Urox and Eiritha did bring their children (outside of Genert's garden) into Orlanth's stead, both animalic and human. Yinkin had been family from the outset. Elmal and Ernalda's horse-loving daughter (any bids for her name?) brought in the mountain pony. The pig people, led by a descendant of Orlanth, separated from the Stead after the Arrowmound judgement.
Of the other animals kept by the Orlanthi I fail to draw Hsunchen connections. Neither the Dog People to the north-east of Kerofinela nor the goat people also located there during Urvairinus' reign were admitted into the stead, and I doubt that any fowl people (except the durulz, who just might be duck Hsunchen cursed to stick in an intermediate form, having lost their shape-change powers) were admitted into the home of the slayer of the Solar Emperor.
[Gods of the Wenelians]
What happened to Entru and Entruli? The Entruli people? King Lalmor and
the Vathmai tribe which settled Slontos? How did the God Learner
occupation of Slontos change the Wenelians? We see what happened to
the Ramalians?
Why the Sow Mother, and not (male) Mralot? Or are both worshipped? Do any of these relate to the Aram-ya-Udram story?
> [re: Tsarist Safelster]
>> Whereupon we get _another_ load of freedom loving Orlanthi fighting
>> evil oppressive foreigners.
> "Another"? Where's the first? <peace-loving Lunar g>
In Jonatela, for starters...
> If you want "bad guy" Orlanthi nearer to home, look at what the Wenelians
> are doing to Esrolia. The bastards.
In what regard are they worse than the Porthomekans? At least they leave again...
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-- Joerg Baumgartner joe@sartar.toppoint.de
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