From: Graeme Lindsell (lindsell@rschp1.anu.edu.au)
Date: Fri 03 Jun 1994 - 02:55:04 EEST
Nick Brooke writes:
>But as I know previous cultures in the same region
>had all these accomplishments, it seems more reasonable to backdate them.
I've never seen any reference to anyone except the Lunars crucifying, but I'll bow to your superior sources.
> As I said, there's no supporting evidence for *any* part of
>the hypothesis. Take it or leave it.
I'll leave it, thanks. Even with the small amount of information we know about the West, I believe we'd have heard that Hrestol was crucified. It would be too central to be missed. In fact, are _any_ of the Saints described as having been executed? Xemela is the only one who died for others, and (though perhaps a Mary figure) she was later rescued by Hrestol. I'm not sure passions and torment are part of Malkionism, or at least they're not as big a part of it as they are of Christianity.
Of course, if he was nailed to a large triangle, that might explain some things...
Sandy writes in request to my plea of some decent Malkionists:
>First, I don't think you can find Good Guy Malkioni that Tap.
Pardon, I should have written "don't Tap".
> Second, I'm not sure why the Loskalmi are typified as raving
>fanatics. Just because the Rokari claim the Hrestoli are idealists
>doesn't mean the Hrestoli themselves can't be good guys.
Actually, it's the write-up of Fronela that's frightening, not what the Rokari say. I wouldn't wish to be a neighbour of the Loskalmi, unless I liked crusades. I'm sure that the Loskalmi are as internally wonderful as they're portrayed: I don't like living near people who are sure they know all the answers, and have a religion that demands a large army. I especially don't like it when civil and religous advancement are tied to military prowess, and all the leaders are ex-priests of the church.
>but there were still no doubt happy areas in which the peasants
>didn't feel as though their rulers were abominable tyrants.
I accept the possibility that such heavens may have existed. It doesn't make the typical life of a medieval or Rokari peasant any more appealing to me.
> Fourth, just because *some* Safelstrans are oppressive and
>bad doesn't mean they all are. There's a dozen or more states there,
>each with its own national system of doing things, and plenty of them
>can be good guys.
Yes, I can accept this.
I'm not asking for a Malkionist culture that's totally wonderful. I'd prefer a society which the players could interact with if they came from another, and doesn't produce fanatic PC's or a huge proportion of landless peasants.
Paul Reilly writes:
>Of course the people you are really describing are the Jrusteli.
Well, certainly!
> Anywhere where the Malkioni DON'T have the political power they might
>be relatively OK, like the Janube city-states.
Yes, but they hardly qualify for Malkioni societies.
>Those lands
>were just considered 'empty' and I thought they were populated by people
>who wanted MORE freedom.
Yes, that's what the Genertela pack says. The original suggestion was made as an alternative version of Salfester, to oppose the "inland Italy" that's there now. Of course, all the stories about the freedom of the Redlands might just be Lunar propaganda...
Me:
>Burial alive and defenestration
Sandy:
>Feed 'em to the sacred crocodiles.
Paul
>'cut their throats so their blood
>will feed the earth' is also popular. Crushed between stones is a good
>one as well.
Boris
>"Hangings too good for him! Burnings too good for him! He
> should be ripped into itsy-bitsy pieces and buried alive!".
--
Graeme Lindsell a.k.a lindsell@rschp1.anu.edu.au
Research School of Chemistry, Australian National University, Canberra.
"I was 17 miles from Greybridge before I was caught by the school leopard"
Ripping Yarns - Tomkinson's Schooldays.
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