More Hrestoli/Loskalmi ravings.

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From: alex (alex@dcs.gla.ac.uk)
Date: Sun 19 Jun 1994 - 22:21:21 EEST

Graeme Lindsell:
> The Loskalmi standing peacetime army numbers 55,000 (and we're told it's one
> of the best in Glorantha). With a population of 3 200 000, plus whatever of
> the 800 000 inhabitants of Junora are supporting them, plus whatever they can
> recruit from Sog city (who will certainly ally with Loskalm rather than the
> KoW), they could lose that army and replace it immediately (there are many
> ex-soldiers in the higher bureuacracy to act as officers).

Replace it with a mediocre bunch of soi-disant "knights" and other Horals of no particular martial virtue, yes. If the Loskalmi army were wiped out, they'd be in deep doo-doo. This could have deleterious effects on the "Loyalty" of Junora, though they'd hardly rush to join the KoW.

> But we do know that Loskalm is one of the best organised nations on
> Glorantha.

Best organised for what? The only war they've fought in the last century was strolling in to western Junora, to (I'd estimate) zero resistance. cf. Austria, rather than Poland...

> As for magic, the Hrestoli are the guys who started the Syndics Ban, and
> are now robbing the Godplane for power.

This is a synonym for "have HeroQuesters", not a unique qualification.

> > I'd not snear at Zorak Zoran, Humakt, Polaris, Wachaza, Urox, and
> >Cacodemon either, to name but a few.

> But in war I'd support the homogeneous nation of militarist fanatics. In
> comparison the KoW are a bunch of thugs.

Provenly effective thugs, unlike Loskalm. There's a lot to be said for a bit of diversity in an army.

Joerg Baumgartner:
> How did you arrive at this number of 85,000? 420,000/5?

Yup. See the G:G "occupation" table. Obviously not Gospel, but The Only Data Available, and an indication that "outnumbered ten to one" is a bit fishy.

> Honour to all men, whatever his place? This sounds more like Rokari
> doctrine to keep the serfs in their allotted places than like "let's
> suppress our pagan farmers" Jonatela.

It amounts to the same thing, doesn't it? Or are the Jonating modified Hrestoli, of some sort?

> >> I'm not sure if their opinion
> >> vis-a-vis the Rokari is the dire hatred of the Roman Catholic for the
> >> Lutheran, or the relatively mild distaste of the Greek Orthodox for
> >> the Roman Catholic.

> > Something more like the first, I think. We're not talking about the
> > odd "filoque" here or there.

> I can buy this for the Rokari, but hardly for the Jonatings. Somehow I
> have the impression that the Ecclesiarch in Southpoint thinks that the
> Jonating way is the right attitude towards non-believers.

I'm lost. Whose attitude to whom are you speaking of? The Loskalmi to the Jonatings? Not even printable, I'd imagine. Even (especially?) if they are "modified Hrestoli".

> > I suspect this is a Joerg "Nya!", but at any rate, I'll bite: Prince is a
> > title, not a caste description.

> Ok, but the title is one exclusively related to the ruler caste. I think
> that "ruler" or "lord" in Brithini is called "talar", but for the Western
> colonies we can assume a considerable change of language over the (3000?)
> generations in the pre-Dawn (after I Fought We Won, according to Uz Lore).

Persumably all Princes are Talar, but I doubt all Talar are Princes...

I'd don't think "Prince" is a modification of "Talar", since he's variously referred to as both. But one or both could pertain only to the caste system as (however) it existed _before_ his own reforms. Or whatever.

Alex.

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