From: Joerg Baumgartner (joe@sartar.toppoint.de)
Date: Wed 29 Jun 1994 - 02:43:56 EEST
Alex in X-RQ-ID: 4846
> Gregged Again. Imagine My Disgust.
Gregged by Genertela Book?
>> Since there is no nobility but through >> meritocratic ascension, one can assume these are the ruler class of >> the Hrestoli system.
> What, and Archbishops aren't?
Just so. Archbishops aren't decision-makers (aka "Talars" in Brithini).
> I've no idea whether
> Hrestol ever became king, but that's no argument against the king beinf seen
> as his embodiment. (This would imply a glorious/sacrificial/martyr's death
> for Hrestol, though.)
Agree on the martyr's death, but the Serpent King Dynasty remained unbroken until 150 ST.
I said:
>> The Rokari are more likely to kill infidels or force- >> convert them than the Hrestoli, who might allow their pagan subjects >> to qualify for their farmer caste, but won't proselytize except by >> example, in the 3rd Age.
> The Hrestoli don't _have_ Orlanthi subjects, even in Junora, so far as
> I'm aware. The pagans and assorted Malkioni sects seem to be (for the
> moment) independant (of each other, as well as of Loskalm). If they did,
> I hardly thing that peaceful coexistance would be the order of the day.
The Hrestoli in Old Loskalm don't have any. These make up probably one half of all Hrestoli in Glorantha. I was talking about the other half, including all the Loskalmi adventurers making their fortune in freshly Ban-freed Fronela.
> I see what you mean (at last)
Thank and praise the Celestial Court! <g>
> but I disagree. Suppressing and brutalising
> peasants is obviously all well and good, but the Loskalmi are clearly going
> to disapprove of having a static "Farmer" class, even if there is class
> mobility for the upper tiers. I'm taken with Nick's suggestion that all
> the frothing at the mouth in G:G about the Jonatings is Loskalmi
> propaganda...
I don't think so. A sound measure of oppression belongs to the type of societies we face on Glorantha, even the Lunar Empeire, the allegedly most liberal society on the lozenge with GeStaPo/Stasi-like controlling organs.
>> Prince is a little defined title, mainly denoting a class membership if >> used in a late medieval feudal sense: male people belonging to the >> families of the higher nobility rulers, be they kings, dukes or princes >> themselves.
> Rulers, not in the sense of "ruling nobility", but of _royalty_.
Royalty as in Dukes...
There is no royalty in the sense of inheritance in Loskalm (although there is among the non-Loskalmi Hrestoli). Loskalmi royalty might be the sacrificial post of decision taker, call it Talar or whatever.
> So all Hrestoli Talars are "Princes?" Even the ones who're Kings or
> Archbishop? I doubt it.
Still "prince" seems a better title in English than "ruler"...
Alex in X-RQ-ID: 4849
> Nope, they say Yelm rises at those (or thereabouts) dates, yup, but before
> that (the first, that is), there _are_ no dates. It's The Moment. Timeless
> reigns. Afterwards, it isn't, and doesn't. Does that sound like the start
> of time to you? Let me rephrase that: doesn't that sound like the start
> of time to everyone else?
Yes, especially the moment at 0 YT. In Godtime.
I remember you opposing any causality, let alone timshness, of Godtime. Did you see the light?
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-- Joerg Baumgartner joe@sartar.toppoint.de
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