From: CULLEN O'NEILL (cullen.oneill@thuemmel.com)
Date: Thu 30 Jun 1994 - 17:31:51 EEST
Nils Weinander in X-RQ-ID: 4856
N> What I am trying to say is that the mundane actions are part of the
N> ritual of the cults.
Assuming that that action is related to an aspect of their god... I would think that an ill defined elan type of thin for DI based on whether the worshiper is acting correctly in the eyes of his god (ie: IMHO, acting as like the god would as is possible). Some system for gaining a chance at DI during downtime through devout action might also be good.
N>(Night caste): I thought of the casteless as outside the system
But seeing as the sun is gone in this one case... of course they're outcaste in a solar society, right?
N> rebirth in the Upper World as a Fire angel?
A possibility, but the ultimate goal (a la Hindus) is Union with the God...? Of course from a Kethalan POV this is temporary with the soul falling don to hell again (as per solar myth) becoming separate and having to climb again. Of course this may be too much similarity to the stereotypical Hindu India vs Buddhist China... I'm not sure.
A> are there any possible excuses (like being captured, or exiled)?
I would assume that when you came back to worship, you would be accepted if you had a good excuse. It might depend on your good standing in the temple, and might require special worship and donations, etc...
A> If someone's at Dorastor because he was exiled by the LE, and the A> nearest temple/shrine is FAR away, would he become inactive? What if A> he's in some kind of mission for his priest?
I would think (given the Orlanthi and Lunars surrounding Dorastor) that you would be able to find a shrine at least to most gods.
This leads me to an interesting question. Can an initiate set up a site at will? If he gets enough people to worshiping regularly does it become a shrine? I would tend to say yes to a site, but a shrine needs a dedication by a priest, and to have a priest level there.
I can't really answer your spider questions as I haven't studied anything except the first section of D:LoD, don't have Griffin Island. But I would say, go with what you find convenient, you'll probably get Gregged, but then you will anyway. };^)
Hon-Eel, Hwarin Dalthippa, a good part of the 7 Mothers, the Red Goddess herself. Well, perhaps you're right and a woman in a martial area is a rarity... It seems to me that Jar-eel is so far beyond normal because she is the one who was successful among the many who failed.
It'll quickly turn you into either a GodLearner or a rabid anti-GL'er IMHO, since (from your address) your obviously an illuminated fellow, welcome to the GL side!
CB> There is "really" only one event for each runespell, which CB> the magic makes a mystical connection to. Thus Sever Spirit
But of course. And you get the spell by going on a (very) minor HQ. This is probably just a ritual reenactment (with little or no risk in most cases) of the original godtime myth. Then to get it back you meditate on the ritual/myth. This fits in with what Barron has been saying.
CB> Of course, the strength of the manifestation of such a primordial CB> spell is limited by the resources of the caster, and is thus a pale CB> shadow of the original.
Or by the number of times it is called on. The spell might be getting progressively weaker, or it might be stable. Interesting Question, yes?
CB> New runespells are made by Heroquesting back to the Godtime, CB> and creating a new Primordial spell. Heroquests to get spells CB> from other gods create links from the Ur-spell to the Heroquester, CB> which may be limited to one-use because of their indirect routing.
Perhaps several heroquests would be neccesary to get the spell reusable for the cult? This would involve interweaving it more closely with the legends of the god.
CB> (This crypto-God Learner idea is based on an unholy melding CB> of computer science and the quantum physics idea that there may CB> be only one electron going back and forth in time.)
See, I knew you'd be on our side... come let me show you our secret handshake.
Interesting point RE: Ressurection.
Welcome aboard.
I would tend to think that it takes a willing priest (free to use magic) to create the initial link to the god (or link to the set of RunePaths constituting a mythical cycle of a now apotheosized hero, whatever). Without him to direct the the POW sacrifice, it wouldn't get to the god and create a link.
>Paul Reilly:
P>> Thanks for your indulgence...
Hmmm, I was thinking of trying to recast Paul's letter in the RunePaths metaphor as I was reading it. (Shows you how readily I took to your metaphor, yes?)
N> The sorceror is free to create a place in the otherworld. (Hey, N> didn't Orlanth do this too?) What makes the _free_ sorceror
Well of course Worlanth is just a western wizard.
I'd say neither, its at the point in the ritual when you actually get the spell (ie: engage in the reenactment of the actual action that gave your god this rune spell.) In Campbellian terms (ye ole circle at the start of Chapt IV _Hero with a thousand faces_) its not at the entering or leaving the otherworld, its at the Apotheosis/elixir theft stage.
When you actually cast the spell, what is involved? Another 'mental reenactment'? A trigger word/action that brings forth the actual magic?
Cullen
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