From: Peter Metcalfe, CAPE Canty (CHEN190@csc.canterbury.ac.nz)
Date: Thu 01 Sep 1994 - 03:45:01 EEST
Devin
>Correct you are, in the sense that it is not explicitly stated that the Flood
>is caused by Yelm. Nevertheless, the fact that Yelm knows in advance about
>the Flood AND that it just so happens to destroy all of the impure baddies
>leads me to believe that their was some Yelmic origin.
How does Yelm know it in advance and where does Pletonius say this? Since Yelm could not comprehend the others (such as Umatum), I have serious difficulty believing Mr P.'s assertion on the Gods Wall that Yelm foretold the future.
>I certainly agree that Plentonius would have no choice but to connect the
>Flood to Yelm, but I just thought it odd that he would view it as an almost
>welcome and necessary event, unlike invasion after invasion after invasion of
>Dara Happa which occur elsewhere and are regarded as calamity.
A corrupt dynasty was ruling! They wanted people to take their clothes off! Of course the flood has to be good! :-). On a more serious note, have a look at the six wounding errors of Antirius and see if you can identify the people involved. Why did Pletonius leave that in?
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Entekos
Harald writes
> Entekos presumably is part of the ancient Pelorian religion (i.e. pre-
> Dara Happan) worshipped presumably in the 1st century ST and linking
> back to old Green Age myths. Entekos is, I believe, a land/earth
> goddess.
Entekos means 'Rightful Air' in Dara Happan. Although she adopted that name later on, I have serious doubts about identifying the ur-Entekos as an earth goddess.
> Seeing the disruption of the heaven, Entekos then gave birth
> to or created the calm air (or gave up her earthly place to calm the air
> herself). By the dawning, the moons were gone (or had moved and changed
> themselves into wanderers like Tolat).
It is very difficult, I think, for a goddess (or god) to transmute itself in terms of elements. Lodril is the only one of know off and heat isn't too different from the fire rune.
> Given the assorted Orlanthi mythos in KoS there is hardly
> even room for a goddess such as Molanni (all the 'good' storm gods are
> male after all).
The Orlanthi myths are no more complex than the family tree created by the Westerners to explain the Hsunchen. It would be fairer to say that Molanni had no place in the Storm Pantheon as known in Dragon Pass. This is however based on Orlanth. Ragnaglar has his lands north of Fronela whilst Umath appears to be born in Umathela. As Vadrus seems to be Ragnaglar (Kolat and Ragnaglar are never mentioned in the same myth in KoS), it would seem to me that Molanni, daughter of Vadrus, came into Dara Happa from Fronela
> Another possibility (and one that I like more as I think about it) is
> that Molanni came from Prax--that she is in fact Mistress Calm, one of
> the four air gods of that land--and she came with the Praxian
> beastriders who helped oust the horse nomads from the Pelorian basin.
Not having Nomad Gods (proving I'm not a god learner know-it-all), I can't really say whether Mistress Calm is actually Brastalos or Molanni. Can someone clarify this for me?
> The beastriders would pre-date Plentonius and would have established a
> place for Molanni. Plentonius would then have to include her in some
> fashion, as would the Orlanthi, since the Dara Happans took so readily
> to her role.
The battle for Argentium Thri'ile was about 239 ST. Pletonius had written the GRAY in 244 ST. While five years could be a sufficient time for an old fuddy duddy like Mr P. to shout 'Molanni, I love U', I doubt whether he would dare contemplate inventing a precedent for her on the Gods Wall.
Joerg replying to Nick:
>Hmm. Entekos seems not to be the mother of the Blue Moon, whatever is
>true about the rest. When I asked what makes a stellar body a moon in
>the Convulsion Lore Auction, Greg didn't know. What moons are we talking
>about, anyway? Planets going through phases of some kind?
I guess we'll have to wait for the Entekosiad to find out! Dendara is a planet according to the copper tablets, but does not appear in the sky today. If she is than Gorgorma also appears to be one according to Kralori wisdom (Words of Wisdom from the Sun King GoG).
David Dunhamm writes
>A quote I ran across that might illuminate hsunchen:
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ARKAT! ONE OF THE BUGGERS IS STILL ALIVE! Sandy writes
>Nicky:
>>I think the modern consensus is for a red moon visible practically
>>everywhere in Glorantha, visibly going through its phases both
>>inside and outside the Glowline.
> Though I basically agree with this, there must be
>_some_difference in her appearance within the Glowline. Perhaps the
>"dark" part of the moon is just a different shade of red.
Isn't the moon always full within the Glowline? :-)
Cheers
Blue Wizard (aka Peter Metcalfe)
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